Network EBA

[Gas Chamber]

Originally Posted by neville_nobody

Yes absolutely. However her response will be it comes with my position and not issued to me personally. That's the excuse judges and politicians have been using.

the question needs to be asked and the answer should dictate whether they’re required to stand down from the case. Ridiculous conflict of interest.
time for change. These grubs all need to be shown the door.

[TooManyPineapples]

Originally Posted by JamieMaree

If you want to see FWC approach to an” arbitration” look at the QF Longhaul CWD ( compulsory workplace determination) in 2013.
Both sides got a few tidbits but both sides suffered big losses.
Both sides would have been better off had the CWD not taken place.
I think the pilots lost more than Qf lost, overall.

True however QF EA had more to loose than gain. NAA have little to loose, not really the same right? I mean the QF EA is a bible and the NAA one is a paper plane. Red ties wasn’t effective PIA in retrospect at that point in time, although I completely support the reasoning behind it.

[JamieMaree]

Originally Posted by TooManyPineapples

True however QF EA had more to loose than gain. NAA have little to loose, not really the same right? I mean the QF EA is a bible and the NAA one is a paper plane. Red ties wasn’t effective PIA in retrospect at that point in time, although I completely support the reasoning behind it.

The real point is that the LH pilots were running a campaign and they believed that PIA was the way to go. They were confident that their campaign would be successful.
Many of the pilots held similar views to those expressed on this thread.
AIPA lost control of the agenda when Qf locked the LH pilots out along with the TWU and the AALEA.
The TWU and the AALEA did a deal before it had to go to a CWD. Once it went to a CWD, AIPA ( and the LH pilots) lost control. The result is the result.

Any opinions expressed on this thread on how the FWC might go and the reasons why it might go well or go badly is just sheer BS.

[twentyelevens]

Originally Posted by JamieMaree

Any opinions expressed on this thread on how the FWC might go and the reasons why it might go well or go badly is just sheer BS.

Originally Posted by JamieMaree

If you want to see FWC approach to an” arbitration” look at the QF Longhaul CWD ( compulsory workplace determination) in 2013.
Both sides got a few tidbits but both sides suffered big losses.
Both sides would have been better off had the CWD not taken place.
I think the pilots lost more than Qf lost, overall.

Look…Opinions are like ars%^oles.

[framer]

Any opinions expressed on this thread on how the FWC might go and the reasons why it might go well or go badly is just sheer BS.

Just opinions/ predictions. I finished my thoughts on the topic by asking if anyone could see a hole in the logic I used, I’d happily take on board any obvious flaws you could point out Jamie. It seems overly emotional to label them as BS.

[Icarus2001]

Potentially, however when the 73 is doing the exact runs that NAA are, it leaves it very wide open for "same job same pay",

Not really. If a pilot flys three days a week on FIFO and one or two days on an RPT run the FWC cannot see that as "same job". All this has to be tested anyway. Is a B737 pilot the same job as a A320 pilot?

[Thumb War]

Originally Posted by Icarus2001

Not really. If a pilot flys three days a week on FIFO and one or two days on an RPT run the FWC cannot see that as "same job". All this has to be tested anyway. Is a B737 pilot the same job as a A320 pilot?

Agree it remains to be tested. You or others (Dre) may argue the 737 and 320 are substantially different, but the Network 320s are flying routes previously flown by SH 737s, and the SH EA now covers the 321, which QF have said is the same as the 737 and doesn’t deserve any difference in T&Cs….

As you said it remains to be tested. It definitely could go other either way or meet somewhere in the middle.

I agree with the point others have made in that Network pilots really don’t have a lot to lose in testing this case. Good on them for trying!

[Buttscratcher]

Originally Posted by Icarus2001

Not really. If a pilot flys three days a week on FIFO and one or two days on an RPT run the FWC cannot see that as "same job". All this has to be tested anyway. Is a B737 pilot the same job as a A320 pilot?

Kind of....but you guys fly our routes to CHK, SOL, and do overnights at GYB.....so, in reality, your job is actually the same as our job.

[LostontheLOC]

Originally Posted by JamieMaree

If you want to see FWC approach to an” arbitration” look at the QF Longhaul CWD ( compulsory workplace determination) in 2013.
Both sides got a few tidbits but both sides suffered big losses.
Both sides would have been better off had the CWD not taken place.
I think the pilots lost more than Qf lost, overall.

workplace laws have change significantly since then, there’s a **** load more protections for the workers and the same arbitration today would yield a seperate result.

this if it goes to IB, which reading the final letter from the CEO, sounds like it will be devastating for them, will be interesting. I wouldn’t be surprised that the IB threat was all just posturing.

[LostontheLOC]

Originally Posted by Icarus2001

Not really. If a pilot flys three days a week on FIFO and one or two days on an RPT run the FWC cannot see that as "same job". All this has to be tested anyway. Is a B737 pilot the same job as a A320 pilot?

Actually, yes.

[Change of Pace]

Deputy President Beaumont dealt with the previous EBA stoush between Qantas/Network and the unions.

Let’s just say her Chairmans Lounge membership if she has one, was never at risk.

[The Love Doctor]

Originally Posted by LostontheLOC

Actually, yes.

yes. yes it is

[Sameoldsameold]

So many IR and legal experts on here. Fascinating stuff.

[Gas Chamber]

Originally Posted by Sameoldsameold

So many IR and legal experts on here. Fascinating stuff.

new joiner with extremely suspect posts. Just like that other doofus.
I have friends who’re experts in this field.
Indicating the bullying tactics and games. Said these guys have virtually no downside…just short term lack of wages.
VOTE NO. Stand up. Enjoy the win.

[Saintly]

Hi all,

Are there any planned pilot strikes for this week or anytime next week (week beginning Monday 18 March)?

Any help is appreciated because I have staff at work who will be travelling with Network (Qantaslink) on 18 and 22 March.

Regards,
Saintly.

[twentyelevens]

Originally Posted by Saintly

Hi all,

Are there any planned pilot strikes for this week or anytime next week (week beginning Monday 18 March)?

Any help is appreciated because I have staff at work who will be travelling with Network (Qantaslink) on 18 and 22 March.

Regards,
Saintly.

Sure, anything else the PIA flight crew at Network can do to help you and your staff during what must be a really stressful time for you?
Why don't you ask NWK Management

[gordonfvckingramsay]

Originally Posted by twentyelevens

Sure, anything else the PIA flight crew at Network can do to help you and your staff during what must be a really stressful time for you?
Why don't you ask NWK Management

Or cancel out the risk by flying VA.

[Saintly]

Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay

Or cancel out the risk by flying VA.

We were scheduled with VA, but they rescheduled their flight from afternoon to morning and that doesn't suit the staff so we chose QF.

It's ok, we will work with what we have. I hope the pilots get the pay/conditions that they deserve.

Cheers,
Saintly.

[ShandywithSugar]

When does the current vote close and results expected?

Whilst enjoying a layover in Oman I heard the A220 is getting a side letter of improved coin to try attract people , possibly this week.

[framer]

What’s a side letter?