AsA TIBA/TRA/OPR Restrictions

[PiperCameron]

Originally Posted by DROPS

Since they were paid out to take early retirement, you are probably right

Does that mean we get reduced landing fees (like, free would be good!) commensurate with the reduced service??

Maybe they could put a donations tin down the bottom of the control tower for every time YMAV is Class G? Next thing we know, the Geelong locals will be doing burnouts on the taxiways totally unsupervised.

[sunnySA]

YBAS 29&30/7

B527/23
ALICE SPRINGS (YBAS) TWR ATS NOT AVBL DUE OPERATIONAL RESTRICTIONS
ALICE SPRINGS CLASS C AND CLASS D AIRSPACE BELOW FL125 BECOMES CLASS
G AIRSPACE - CLASS C AIRSPACE FL125 TO FL245 BECOMES CLASS E
AIRSPACE - AS PER EN ROUTE SUPPLEMENT AUSTRALIA ALICE SPRINGS -
ATS AIRSPACE - OUTSIDE TWR HR.
FIS AVBL MELBOURNE CENTRE 119.8
COMMON TFC ADVISORY FREQ (CTAF) 118.3
SFC TO FL125
FROM 07 282230 TO 07 300830
DAILY 2230/0830

Alice.

[missy]

Originally Posted by PiperCameron

Does that mean we get reduced landing fees (like, free would be good!) commensurate with the reduced service??

Maybe they could put a donations tin down the bottom of the control tower for every time YMAV is Class G? Next thing we know, the Geelong locals will be doing burnouts on the taxiways totally unsupervised.

If we look at an A320 from SYD to AAV for the full service (Terminal Navigation, ARFF, Enroute and MET) then the flight costing would be $803.74. If the aircraft arrives outside of Tower hours then the flight costing would be $427.73, and if the aircraft arrives outside of Tower and ARFF hours then the flight costing would be $257.21.

Whether the charging regime is such that it can differentiate between Tower operating and Tower not operating would be anyone's guess.

[missy]

Originally Posted by sunnySA

Alice.

If I understand NOTAM B527/23 correctly the airspace from FL 125 to FL245 is downgraded from Class C to Class E. Alice's airspace is SFC to FL 125, so how is it that the airspace above is also affected? Seems a very odd decision, love to see the safety assessment that justifies this.

[sunnySA]

Ybna sfis 29/7, 30/7, 31/7

B1111/23 REVIEW B1110/23
BALLINA SURVEILLANCE FLIGHT INFORMATION SERVICE (SFIS) NOT AVBL
DUE OPR RESTRICTIONS. BALLINA BROADCAST AREA REMAINS CLASS G AS PER
AIP - OUTSIDE SURVEILLANCE FLIGHT INFORMATION SERVICE (SFIS) HR
COMMON TRAFFIC ADVISORY FREQ 124.2
SFC TO 8500FT AMSL
FROM 07 282200 TO 07 310800
2307282200 TO 2307290800
2307292200 TO 2307300800
2307310000 TO 2307310100
2307310300 TO 2307310400
2307310600 TO 2307310620
2307310730 TO 2307310800

Ballna. Was previously daily 0000/0100 0300/0400 0600/0620 0730/0800.

[sunnySA]

YPPF 29/7 & 30/7

B529/23
PARAFIELD TWR ATS NOT AVBL DUE OPERATIONAL RESTRICTIONS
PARAFIELD CLASS D AIRSPACE 1500FT AND BLW REVERTS TO CLASS G
AIRSPACE. FIS AVBL CENTRE 130.45.
COMMON TFC ADVISORY FREQ (CTAF) 118.7
ENR SUP AUSTRALIA (ERSA) - OUTSIDE TWR HR - REFERS
FROM 07 282230 TO 07 300830
2307282230 TO 2307282300
2307290700 TO 2307290830
2307292230 TO 2307292300
2307300700 TO 2307300830

Parafield.

[sunnySA]

YPKA 29/7 & 30/7

B526/23
KARRATHA (YPKA) TWR ATS NOT AVBL DUE OPERATIONAL RESTRICTIONS
KARRATHA CLASS D AIRSPACE BECOMES CLASS G SFC TO 5500FT AMSL AS PER
EN ROUTE SUPPLEMENT AUSTRALIA YPKA - ATS AIRSPACE - OUTSIDE TWR HR
FIS AVBL MELBOURNE CENTRE 122.4
COMMON TRAFFIC ADVISORY FREQUENCY 127.35
SFC TO 5500FT AMSL
FROM 07 290615 TO 07 300345
2307290615 TO 2307290645
2307300000 TO 2307300345

Karratha.

[sunnySA]

YBBN Approach Departures

B1115/23 REVIEW B1114/23
ATS OPR AT REDUCED CAPACITY
DUE TO OPERATIONAL RESTRICTIONS IN THE FOLLOWING AIRSPACE:
DESIGNATED AIRSPACE HANDBOOK (DAH) SECTOR VOLUME NAME AFFECTED IS:
'BRISBANE APPROACH BRISBANE'. INCLUDES CLASS C AIRSPACE WI 30NM OF
YBBN VOR/DME BLW FL180
YBBB/BRISBANE APCH 124.7 AND 125.6.
YBBB/BRISBANE DEPARTURES 133.45 AND 118.45.
CONTINGENCY MAPS (LISTED UNDER BRISBANE APCH/DEPARTURE IN THE
BRISBANE FIR AVBL AT
HTTP://WWW.AIRSERVICESAUSTRALIA.COM/NOTAMMAPS/INDEX.ASP
AWK ACFT MAY BE SUBJ TO DELAYS AND RESTRICTIONS
FOR FURTHER INFO CTC AIRSERVICES AUSTRALIA ON 07 3866 3694
BASE OF CTA TO FL180
FROM 07 290400 TO 07 291200

Brisbane Approach & Departures.

[sunnySA]

YBBB 29/7

B1113/23
ATS OPR AT REDUCED CAPACITY
IN THE FLW AIRSPACE: BRISBANE CENTRE 127.2 POINT LOOKOUT. DESIGNATED
AIRSPACE HANDBOOK (DAH) SECTOR VOLUME NAMES AFFECTED ARE 'INVERELL A,
B, C'
DESIGNATED AIRSPACE HANDBOOK (DAH) SECTOR VOLUME NAMES AFFECTED ARE
'INVERELL A, B, C'
MAP OF AFFECTED AIRSPACE (LISTED UNDER INVERELL IN THE BRISBANE FIR)
AVBL AT HTTPS://WWW.AIRSERVICESAUSTRALIA.COM...MAPS/INDEX.ASP
APRX AREA: AN ARC AT 50DME YBCG SOUTH TO YCFS, SOUTHWEST TO YARM,
NORTHWEST TO YIVL AND NORTHEAST TO POSN 27NM NORTHEAST YSPE
MAJOR ATS ROUTES:
H66 BTN PEBDO AND IDNER
H91 BTN 16NM NORTH APAGI AND 55NM NORTH SANAD
H98 BTN IDNER AND 55NM NORTH SANAD
H133 BTN LOSKU AND IDNER
H185 BTN 20NM NORTH BANDA AND 50NM SOUTH GOMOL
Q53 BTN 13NM NORTHEAST APAGI AND 45NM NORTHEAST NOLOK
Q210 BTN OSTAM AND 25NM NORTHEAST BOBOP
Q923 BTN 80NM NORTH SANEG AND 50NM NORTH KARDI
Y23 BTN OLRIP AND 13NM SOUTHWEST BERNI
Y43 BTN 20NM NORTH BANDA AND 10NM SOUTH BERNI
Y245 BTN 20NM NORTH BANDA AND BNA
EXPECT DELAY FOR CLEARANCE
FOR FURTHER INFO CTC DUTY ATM DIRECTOR BY TEL [phone].
FL125 TO FL600
FROM 07 282200 TO 07 290400

Northern NSW.

[sunnySA]

YBBB 29/7

B1112/23
ATS OPR AT REDUCED CAPACITY
IN THE FLW AIRSPACE: BRISBANE CENTRE 130.4 SPRINGBROOK
DESIGNATED AIRSPACE HANDBOOK (DAH) SECTOR VOLUME NAMES AFFECTED ARE
'GOLD COAST A, B, C, D, E, F'. MAP OF AFFECTED AIRSPACE (LISTED UNDER
GOLD COAST IN THE BRISBANE FIR) AVBL AT
HTTPS://WWW.AIRSERVICESAUSTRALIA.COM...MAPS/INDEX.ASP
APRX AREA: 60NM RADIUS OF YBCG.
MAJOR ATS ROUTES:
A464 BTN 12NM EAST SCOTT AND 25NM EAST WINKY
H66 BTN IDNER AND LAGOB
H91 BTN SANEG AND APAGI
H185 BTN OMKAX AND LAGOB
Q47 BTN GOMOL AND 12.5NM NORTH SCOTT
Q53 BTN GOMOL AND 13NM NORTH APAGI
Q69 BTN GOMOL AND MAKRU
Q210 BTN SANEG AND OSTAM
Q923 BTN MUDDL AND 80NM NORTH ISKIM
W128 BTN ENKOG AND 110NM NORTH ALDAR
W760 BTN 10NM SOUTH DULIN AND IDNER
Y23 BTN 13NM SOUTH BERNI AND BERNI
Y43 BTN 10NM SOUTH BERNI AND GREAV
EXPECT DELAY FOR CLEARANCE
FOR FURTHER INFO CTC DUTY ATM DIRECTOR BY TEL [phone].
6500FT AMSL TO FL600
FROM 07 282200 TO 07 290400

North Coast NSW, Southern Queensland.

[Callsign Please]

Originally Posted by sunnySA

Brisbane Approach & Departures.

“2 shifts unable to be replaced (XFactor Reason: staffing)”

https://www.airservicesaustralia.com...Daily_Plan.pdf

I would pay good money to know how many of these in the last 12 months said “due staffing”. And they dare get defensive when airlines blame ATC staffing

[missy]

Chicken or the Egg

Originally Posted by Callsign Please

“2 shifts unable to be replaced (XFactor Reason: staffing)”

https://www.airservicesaustralia.com...Daily_Plan.pdf

I would pay good money to know how many of these in the last 12 months said “due staffing”. And they dare get defensive when airlines blame ATC staffing

The way AsA use their console opening tool the accountants will say "you have too many staff on the afternoon shift as you haven't opened these consoles". Staff will say "we haven't opened the consoles because we didn't have the staff!!", and let's not worry about the delays and restrictions to pilots trying to earn a living by doing aerial work, survey work or wanting a Practice ILS. The accountants normally win. Instead of needing 800 it becomes [choose your number].

[10JQKA]

Originally Posted by sunnySA

Ballna. Was previously daily 0000/0100 0300/0400 0600/0620 0730/0800.

So BNA SAFIS out for the whole weekend now ! If another A320 vs jabiru type thing were to occur could be quite embarrassing for the Gov agencies ? What is the latest status report on BNA APP by Nov 23 and TWR by Jun 24 CASA recommendation I wonder ?

[sunnySA]

YSBK 29/7

B66/23
TWR ATS OPR AT REDUCED CAPACITY
DUE OPERATIONAL RESTRICTIONS
CIRCUIT OPS RESTR
FROM 07 290100 TO 07 290800

Bankstown.

[sunnySA]

Swiss cheese

Originally Posted by 10JQKA

So BNA SAFIS out for the whole weekend now ! If another A320 vs jabiru type thing were to occur could be quite embarrassing for the Gov agencies ? What is the latest status report on BNA APP by Nov 23 and TWR by Jun 24 CASA recommendation I wonder ?

BNA SFIS flip flopping between ON & OFF, OFF & ON seems to significantly raise the risk profile. I wonder what representations the local MP (Hon Justine Elliot) has made on this issue?

[cbradio]

Originally Posted by 10JQKA

! If another A320 vs jabiru type thing were to occur could be quite embarrassing for the Gov agencies ??

Be more than embarrassing if what happened at Caboolture happens at a CTAFed Class D.
Do they think it can't happen?

[KRviator]

Originally Posted by cbradio

Be more than embarrassing if what happened at Caboolture happens at a CTAFed Class D.
Do they think it can't happen?

Doesn't even need to be a CTAF'd Class D - there's no separation standard for VFR/VFR in Class D... Until you swap paint, there's no loss of separation.

[43Inches]

Originally Posted by KRviator

Doesn't even need to be a CTAF'd Class D - there's no separation standard for VFR/VFR in Class D... Until you swap paint, there's no loss of separation.

Not quite true, its more whether you are found to be operating in a manner that could create a collision hazard. So you can be "too close" to another aircraft, but not touching it, if found to be creating a collision risk. However it is true that there is no stipulated separation, however neither is there in IMC, ATC have separation standard but OCTA aircraft can pass each other at any distance greater than what would be considered a collision hazard.

Be more than embarrassing if what happened at Caboolture happens at a CTAFed Class D.
Do they think it can't happen?

It almost happened at Albury between a PA28 and an ATR. Avoidance was triggered by TCAS, and not the control service.

[sunnySA]

Originally Posted by 10JQKA

...If another A320 vs jabiru type thing were to occur could be quite embarrassing for the Gov agencies ? ...

Unsure which "separation occurrence" scares me the most, the arriving Virgin B738 opposite direction to the departing Cessna Caravan (16 Sep 2021) or the arriving Jetstar A320 and the transiting Jabiru (28 Nov 2020).

[sunnySA]

YPJT 29/7

B81/23
TWR ATS LTD DUE OPR RESTRICTIONS
CIRCUIT OPS RESTRICTED
FROM 07 300000 TO 07 301000

Jandakot.