Disgusting Jetstar
AAhh, no. It's not. Certainly not in NSW, where it's considered "inclosed lands" and you require authorisation to firstly be there, secondly to photograph on it. Now, most rail operators (CityRail/SydneyTrains/Whatever-they-call-themselves-this-week) have specific photography policies, you still don't have carte blanche the way you do walking down the footpath - but it isn't "public property" so much as it is "publicly accessible" - you can still be locked out of the rail network and the trains that run on it - and that's a very important distinction.
Last edited by KRviator; 26th Mar 2023 at 07:35.
We both cleared it with the Purser and I had a very comfortable flight.
I gotta navigate around these trouble making self righteous nuffies at work and play......Being a straight,white,C of E, Aussie male I'm at a disadvantage as soon as I walk out my front gate.
I sit here staring in disbelief at some of the idiot comments on here, particularly by non transport category pilots/SLF.
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selfappointed; Having finally decided to actually have a look at the video concerning the incident, I would suggest that there could be a valid basis for debate on your comment.
There are always two sides to every story.
There are always two sides to every story.
short flights long nights
I have to agree with selfappointed. I had to do a training course at work all about “ dealing “ with numpties like this. The course made it very clear that because I am a white, middle aged, man, I was probably in the wrong to start with.
I didn't see any transport category pilots at the coal face during this incident? Perhaps continuing to sit up front behind the locked door oblivious to what is going on down the back might not have been the best thing to do in this case. Maybe actually attending and exercising the authority those bars give you might have brought about a different outcome? Maybe some command judgment might have come in handy?
The pilot already has a job to do: fly the jet. What on earth do you really think he's going to do when he turns up to a tasering in the making? The CC have training and experience in dealing with aggressive ferals, unlike Capt. Lardbelly in his lollipop hat and coinslot who would probably pop an aorta (or his pants seam) if he had to duck a punch. Most CC generally don't want the pilot getting in the way and out of breath while attempting to inflate his ego with some type the crew have seen many times before.
Pilots don't know how to fight and his employer would prefer the event ends with the pilot able to fly the service not busy picking up his teeth. Leave the action to the CC who aren't going to escalate it and in fact the ground staff whose job it is until the door is closed. All the pilot needs to do is take the advice of the CC when it comes to deciding whether or not to exercise his authority to offload the feral who, these days, has no respect for any authority including some pilot mistakenly believing he's a king of some kind. Don't rely on ground staff for this decision as they just want the problem to go away into the sky with you.
The good captains are the ones who say "Keep me informed and tell me if you want him offloaded."
It's a bus with wings, not a cruise ship.
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He swapped agreeably with another pax.
There was never any reason for the cabin crew to make him swap back. No c of g issues ever.
The whole situation was created by the complete incompetence of the jetstar cabin crew.
re the police thuggery -
The witness in the video said categorically that at no time was Mallou physically or verbally abusive to the police, and yet they used 4 tasers on him. I can’t believe posters on here stating that that is acceptable.
perhaps the cops should have shot him. That would be acceptable to after all………
No, the cabin crew was totally totally wrong and the police were the typical brute mindless thugs that Australia is now shamedly renowned for.
There was never any reason for the cabin crew to make him swap back. No c of g issues ever.
The whole situation was created by the complete incompetence of the jetstar cabin crew.
re the police thuggery -
The witness in the video said categorically that at no time was Mallou physically or verbally abusive to the police, and yet they used 4 tasers on him. I can’t believe posters on here stating that that is acceptable.
perhaps the cops should have shot him. That would be acceptable to after all………
No, the cabin crew was totally totally wrong and the police were the typical brute mindless thugs that Australia is now shamedly renowned for.
He swapped agreeably with another pax.
There was never any reason for the cabin crew to make him swap back. No c of g issues ever.
The whole situation was created by the complete incompetence of the jetstar cabin crew.
re the police thuggery -
The witness in the video said categorically that at no time was Mallou physically or verbally abusive to the police, and yet they used 4 tasers on him. I can’t believe posters on here stating that that is acceptable.
perhaps the cops should have shot him. That would be acceptable to after all………
No, the cabin crew was totally totally wrong and the police were the typical brute mindless thugs that Australia is now shamedly renowned for.
There was never any reason for the cabin crew to make him swap back. No c of g issues ever.
The whole situation was created by the complete incompetence of the jetstar cabin crew.
re the police thuggery -
The witness in the video said categorically that at no time was Mallou physically or verbally abusive to the police, and yet they used 4 tasers on him. I can’t believe posters on here stating that that is acceptable.
perhaps the cops should have shot him. That would be acceptable to after all………
No, the cabin crew was totally totally wrong and the police were the typical brute mindless thugs that Australia is now shamedly renowned for.
For starters, you don’t have to be Physically or verbally abusive to be a pest, cause disruption, and ignore commands from crew members.
How do you think things would pan out if every passenger knew there would be no consequences for acting entitled and being uncooperative?
yes, I agree verbal diffusion is the best result. I wasn’t there in this instance. But to infer that the use of force shouldn’t be on the cards is naive.
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[QUOTE][where do you draw the line with who CAN relocate seats and who can’t? How do you keep track that? What about everyone sits in their assigned seat for TAKEOFF. After that, fill your boots/QUOTE]
ummmm - there is no line - he agreed to swap. He didn’t move to an empty seat.
I travel extensively in the US and I see people asking to swap seats all the time. Never seen someone say no if it to sit with a family member.
Like I said - there was no reason for the cabin crew to be so authoritarian- shame on jetstar.
ummmm - there is no line - he agreed to swap. He didn’t move to an empty seat.
I travel extensively in the US and I see people asking to swap seats all the time. Never seen someone say no if it to sit with a family member.
Like I said - there was no reason for the cabin crew to be so authoritarian- shame on jetstar.
Old mate was given a simple instruction. He decided the rules don't apply to him. Cabin crew have to put up with morons day in, day out so I don't blame them for cracking the ****s at this nitwit. Fail to comply? Call the AFP. I'd do the same.
The AFP found this clown so uncooperative that he got a free lightening ride for his trouble.
There are smarter ways to disagree with a policy than this. Hopefully as he lay spasming on the ground this finally occurred to him. Oh wait, thats right, run to the media and claim perpetual victimhood.
This is the way.
Play stupid games..
I suspect as part of their training, Cabin Crew are told passengers cannot change seats until after take off. They are not paid enough to make decisions outside what they were taught. I doubt very much they have the time or inclination to be obstructive.
das Uber soldat
Very inhuman of you. Pax don’t read ops manuals .
and the fact that you can even condone the blatant use of excessive force by the thugs merely shows what a horrible person you must be.
Very inhuman of you. Pax don’t read ops manuals .
and the fact that you can even condone the blatant use of excessive force by the thugs merely shows what a horrible person you must be.
Nothing in this drivel of a reply constitutes an argument.
You familiar with this brand new thing called the Civil Aviation Regulations? Have a read of CAR 215(9)
And you guessed it, offence of strict liability.
The CC have absolutely no choice, they must enforce their ops manual. I ask again, why should they risk not just sanction with the company, but potentially criminal sanction because this idiot believes the rules don't apply to him?
Thats nice. How about a website though. Can they read a website?
Is it your argument that failing to even bother reading any of the easily accessible information on fare rules obviates you of any responsibility to adhere to them?
If sitting next to your family is so critical to you that you're prepared to commit an offence and endure a violent confrontation with the police, maybe spend the extra few clams to secure it? You don't get to take advantage of the cheap fare, then demand privilege's of a higher fare.
Yes, I'm terrible. The next Hitler no doubt. Everyone should be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want, without consequence.
Take a bow.
You familiar with this brand new thing called the Civil Aviation Regulations? Have a read of CAR 215(9)
Originally Posted by CAR 215
Each member of the operations personnel of an operator shall comply with
all instructions contained in the operations manual in so far as they relate
to his or her duties or activities.
all instructions contained in the operations manual in so far as they relate
to his or her duties or activities.
The CC have absolutely no choice, they must enforce their ops manual. I ask again, why should they risk not just sanction with the company, but potentially criminal sanction because this idiot believes the rules don't apply to him?
Thats nice. How about a website though. Can they read a website?
Originally Posted by https://www.jetstar.com/au/en/flights/seats
Remember, it’s always a good idea to purchase your seat in advance if you’re picky about where you sit. If you don’t, you’ll be automatically assigned a seat which you might not like, or you might not get to sit with your friends"
If sitting next to your family is so critical to you that you're prepared to commit an offence and endure a violent confrontation with the police, maybe spend the extra few clams to secure it? You don't get to take advantage of the cheap fare, then demand privilege's of a higher fare.
Take a bow.
I’ve been directed by checkin staff to organise seat swaps once on board so I can sit with my kids when staff travel was tight and we did not get seats together . Checkin staff could not be bothered to change others . I pointed out it was company policy not to seat a female child next to an adult male but made no difference , got told to ask cabin crew for assistance. On board senior cabin crew helped change a passenger so my daughter and I change . Happens everyday all over the world . Seat swaps are normal even in Australia , last minute no paperwork , cabin crew do it to stop problems . Never seen or heard of a taser required , ever . Something horrible wrong here .
P.S , loved going down with my hat on to stand next to the cabin crew while she handled a disruptive passenger . One of the perks !
P.S , loved going down with my hat on to stand next to the cabin crew while she handled a disruptive passenger . One of the perks !
Our poor cabin crew have to deal with entitled dicks like this every day. Passengers have gotten worse since Tiger disappeared. If sitting next to your family for a few hours is so critical, just pay the dam $15. Fair enough ask the crew the question, but because you don't like her answer doesn't give you the right to not follow instructions. Do what you're told and complain to the airlines later.
Do I agree with all the rules? Not necessarily. Do Jetstar offer the support and customers service that passengers deserve? No of course they don't. But, if you are given a direction by a crew member and choose not to follow it expect the AFP. If you choose to not following their instructions, your probably going to have a bad Day.
Do I agree with all the rules? Not necessarily. Do Jetstar offer the support and customers service that passengers deserve? No of course they don't. But, if you are given a direction by a crew member and choose not to follow it expect the AFP. If you choose to not following their instructions, your probably going to have a bad Day.
Leave the action to the CC who aren't going to escalate it
Pilots don't know how to fight
Keep me informed and tell me if you want him offloaded.
It's a bus with wings, not a cruise ship.
What about everyone sits in their assigned seat for TAKEOFF. After that, fill your boots
I don't see a "self entitled numpty" in the video. I see a customer (because that is what he is) being confused by the staff as to just what the problem is and what the major crime he has committed is. Perhaps if there were a rational explanation that actually made any sense in the real world provided to him rather than I said, so you have to, it may not have escalated to the point where he gets electrocuted for his troubles.
Something horrible wrong here .
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I cant believe people here are standing up for this passenger.
He doesn't need an explanation of what the problem is in order to follow instructions.
I think most of us could put our individual sense of entitlement aside before the AFP would need to be called.
Clearly he didn't know when to pull his head in when the AFP arrived either and he got the zap.
If he disagreed or wanted further explanation he could have written a letter of complaint afterwards.
If you dont think he deserved a taser then take it up with the AFP.
The moment you start negotiating with the person who won't comply is the moment you've lost authority.
He doesn't need an explanation of what the problem is in order to follow instructions.
I think most of us could put our individual sense of entitlement aside before the AFP would need to be called.
Clearly he didn't know when to pull his head in when the AFP arrived either and he got the zap.
If he disagreed or wanted further explanation he could have written a letter of complaint afterwards.
If you dont think he deserved a taser then take it up with the AFP.
The moment you start negotiating with the person who won't comply is the moment you've lost authority.
I cant believe people here are standing up for this passenger.
He doesn't need an explanation of what the problem is in order to follow instructions.
I think most of us could put our individual sense of entitlement aside before the AFP would need to be called.
Clearly he didn't know when to pull his head in when the AFP arrived either and he got the zap.
If he disagreed or wanted further explanation he could have written a letter of complaint afterwards.
If you dont think he deserved a taser then take it up with the AFP.
The moment you start negotiating with the person who won't comply is the moment you've lost authority.
He doesn't need an explanation of what the problem is in order to follow instructions.
I think most of us could put our individual sense of entitlement aside before the AFP would need to be called.
Clearly he didn't know when to pull his head in when the AFP arrived either and he got the zap.
If he disagreed or wanted further explanation he could have written a letter of complaint afterwards.
If you dont think he deserved a taser then take it up with the AFP.
The moment you start negotiating with the person who won't comply is the moment you've lost authority.