Disgusting Jetstar
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No one is asking them to fight. I'm expecting them to exercise the authority those 4 bars give them (and the reason they get the top dollar on the aircraft) and actually attend to a problem in their aircraft that is escalating rapidly out of hand. Perhaps the captain (who for some reason is still held in some esteem by the passengers) actually coming and explaining to the guy why he needed to go back to his seat (at least for the take off) would have diffused this and perhaps carried more weight than a CC just stonewalling. It certainly wouldn't have hurt PR wise for the other passengers, who must have been left wondering just what the f*ck was going on. I dare say the aircraft would have probably left the gate sooner as well.
No one is asking them to fight. I'm expecting them to exercise the authority those 4 bars give them (and the reason they get the top dollar on the aircraft) and actually attend to a problem in their aircraft that is escalating rapidly out of hand. Perhaps the captain (who for some reason is still held in some esteem by the passengers) actually coming and explaining to the guy why he needed to go back to his seat (at least for the take off) would have diffused this and perhaps carried more weight than a CC just stonewalling. It certainly wouldn't have hurt PR wise for the other passengers, who must have been left wondering just what the f*ck was going on. I dare say the aircraft would have probably left the gate sooner as well.
As I mentioned earlier, I had a similar event, the couple would stop arguing with my crew, I told my crew to give them the go or stay question and I required an answer immediately otherwise you are being removed. Nope. Just wanted to negotiate further. I asked the AFP to remove them immediately as I wish to depart. They continued to argue with the AFP also. After the AFP officer raised his voice they complied. Taser them. Drag them off by the leg. Cable tie them. Myself and the 180 others don’t care. Whatever means, just get them off.
The CC were complying with a requirement stipulated in their operations manual. CAR 215(9) orders them to comply with all provisions of their operations manual. This is a provision of strict liability.
Are you familiar with strict liability Traffic?
If you disagree with the policy, that is another matter. CC on the day had absolutely no choice but to issue an instruction to this bloke to move. He refused a lawful order. The police were called. Have a problem with their conduct? Call the AFP. Has nothing to do with Jetstar.
Alas, CAR 215 has been repealed.
Guidance of wise folk.
Strict adherence of fools.
Best those fools cite current law.
Why don't they taser every passenger who unbuckles their seatbelt then stands up after landing, before the seatbelt light has been extinguished and despite instructions from CC? It's a strict liability offence for each and every passenger who does this, and I remain outraged that each of them is not arrested and charged - and tasered in the event of non-cooperation - each time I see this after landing, which happens to be every time after landing on commercial RPT.
Guidance of wise folk.
Strict adherence of fools.
Best those fools cite current law.
Why don't they taser every passenger who unbuckles their seatbelt then stands up after landing, before the seatbelt light has been extinguished and despite instructions from CC? It's a strict liability offence for each and every passenger who does this, and I remain outraged that each of them is not arrested and charged - and tasered in the event of non-cooperation - each time I see this after landing, which happens to be every time after landing on commercial RPT.
Anyone else notice those little signs everywhere you go now, at cafes, restaurants, supermarkets, banks, airports… pretty much any business large or small… those little signs that say “Please respect our staff, abuse won’t be tolerated, please be patient” etc.
Yeah.
The problem doesn’t lie with the police, nor the cabin crew, or even Jetstar.
The problem is that there are a lot of disgusting human beings who for whatever reason (social media, internet, Covid, hardships whatever excuse you want to use) think that they are more important, entitled and special than anyone else.
That’s what it is.
So guess what, if you want to rage against the system and think you’re more special than anyone else, you’re going to get tasered and dragged off like the idiot you are.
Yeah.
The problem doesn’t lie with the police, nor the cabin crew, or even Jetstar.
The problem is that there are a lot of disgusting human beings who for whatever reason (social media, internet, Covid, hardships whatever excuse you want to use) think that they are more important, entitled and special than anyone else.
That’s what it is.
So guess what, if you want to rage against the system and think you’re more special than anyone else, you’re going to get tasered and dragged off like the idiot you are.
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Alas, CAR 215 has been repealed.
Guidance of wise folk.
Strict adherence of fools.
Best those fools cite current law.
Granted, but a distinction without difference having been moved into part 121. Is it your position that Airline operational personnel are no longer required to comply with their relevant operations manual?
Why don't they taser every passenger who unbuckles their seatbelt then stands up after landing, before the seatbelt light has been extinguished and despite instructions from CC? It's a strict liability offence for each and every passenger who does this, and I remain outraged that each of them is not arrested and charged - and tasered in the event of non-cooperation - each time I see this after landing, which happens to be every time after landing on commercial RPT.
Guidance of wise folk.
Strict adherence of fools.
Best those fools cite current law.
Granted, but a distinction without difference having been moved into part 121. Is it your position that Airline operational personnel are no longer required to comply with their relevant operations manual?
Why don't they taser every passenger who unbuckles their seatbelt then stands up after landing, before the seatbelt light has been extinguished and despite instructions from CC? It's a strict liability offence for each and every passenger who does this, and I remain outraged that each of them is not arrested and charged - and tasered in the event of non-cooperation - each time I see this after landing, which happens to be every time after landing on commercial RPT.
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If I had children I'd want to sit as far away from them as possible.
What a silly man. If you want to sit together - book seats together.
I hate to think what his children are going to turn out like when they're older. They'll probably need therapy.
What a silly man. If you want to sit together - book seats together.
I hate to think what his children are going to turn out like when they're older. They'll probably need therapy.
So old mate swaps seats with another pax to be near his family
Nobody complains until the officious CC decide its a problem.
Now they invoke the Regulations and he falls right into the ‘you’re disobeying our instructions’ trap.
But he and other pax are all perplexed as to what the actual (not the new CC instructions) problem is???
So it would seem that we now live in a world where if a power hungry flighty takes a dislike to you, you better just take it lest you’ll feel 10,000 volts coursing through you……
Some will say he should have complied and then lodged a complaint…. True… but a pointless waste of time and energy.
The way it turned out, Jetstar copped a whole lot of negative press, no doubt further damaging their brand (if thats even possible) and a kid now traumatised having seen their dad tasered and dragged off a plane like a criminal (lets no even go into the racial images).
Surely it would have been easier, less effort and brand damage if Lucy Lou had just let everyone remain happy.
Nobody complains until the officious CC decide its a problem.
Now they invoke the Regulations and he falls right into the ‘you’re disobeying our instructions’ trap.
But he and other pax are all perplexed as to what the actual (not the new CC instructions) problem is???
So it would seem that we now live in a world where if a power hungry flighty takes a dislike to you, you better just take it lest you’ll feel 10,000 volts coursing through you……
Some will say he should have complied and then lodged a complaint…. True… but a pointless waste of time and energy.
The way it turned out, Jetstar copped a whole lot of negative press, no doubt further damaging their brand (if thats even possible) and a kid now traumatised having seen their dad tasered and dragged off a plane like a criminal (lets no even go into the racial images).
Surely it would have been easier, less effort and brand damage if Lucy Lou had just let everyone remain happy.
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Watched him interviewed, he did not explain it very well but he mentioned on the first attempt at a departure they were seated together . Then on next attempt he was separated so swapped to correct mistake .
Yes Yes , passengers must follow instructions ,it’s the law, no one is special etc etc .
Yes Yes , passengers must follow instructions ,it’s the law, no one is special etc etc .
So old mate swaps seats with another pax to be near his family
Nobody complains until the officious CC decide its a problem.
Now they invoke the Regulations and he falls right into the ‘you’re disobeying our instructions’ trap.
But he and other pax are all perplexed as to what the actual (not the new CC instructions) problem is???
So it would seem that we now live in a world where if a power hungry flighty takes a dislike to you, you better just take it lest you’ll feel 10,000 volts coursing through you……
Some will say he should have complied and then lodged a complaint…. True… but a pointless waste of time and energy.
The way it turned out, Jetstar copped a whole lot of negative press, no doubt further damaging their brand (if thats even possible) and a kid now traumatised having seen their dad tasered and dragged off a plane like a criminal (lets no even go into the racial images).
Surely it would have been easier, less effort and brand damage if Lucy Lou had just let everyone remain happy.
Nobody complains until the officious CC decide its a problem.
Now they invoke the Regulations and he falls right into the ‘you’re disobeying our instructions’ trap.
But he and other pax are all perplexed as to what the actual (not the new CC instructions) problem is???
So it would seem that we now live in a world where if a power hungry flighty takes a dislike to you, you better just take it lest you’ll feel 10,000 volts coursing through you……
Some will say he should have complied and then lodged a complaint…. True… but a pointless waste of time and energy.
The way it turned out, Jetstar copped a whole lot of negative press, no doubt further damaging their brand (if thats even possible) and a kid now traumatised having seen their dad tasered and dragged off a plane like a criminal (lets no even go into the racial images).
Surely it would have been easier, less effort and brand damage if Lucy Lou had just let everyone remain happy.
The intent is to prevent a scramble for the out of zone empty seats, but the intent of a policy, discretion or the ability to apply common sense is not given to our CC. They are given minimal training, a rigid script to follow, and a stick to ensure they produce thier widgets without independent thought. Blame the system not them.
Some will say he should have complied and then lodged a complaint…. True… but a pointless waste of time and energy.
Why don't they taser every passenger who unbuckles their seatbelt then stands up after landing, before the seatbelt light has been extinguished and despite instructions from CC? It's a strict liability offence for each and every passenger who does this, and I remain outraged that each of them is not arrested and charged - and tasered in the event of non-cooperation - each time I see this after landing, which happens to be every time after landing on commercial RPT.
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I think everyone here would know that a singular pax changing a seat will make FA difference to weight & balance. Similarly, in a catastrophic event seat numbers dont identify people strewn across a runway!
Seems like inexperienced crew on a power trip, need to learn a little about discretion maybe? Sure, of course he should have complied! But was what he was complying with worth the bad publicity that was the end result?
Seems like inexperienced crew on a power trip, need to learn a little about discretion maybe? Sure, of course he should have complied! But was what he was complying with worth the bad publicity that was the end result?
Watched him interviewed, he did not explain it very well but he mentioned on the first attempt at a departure they were seated together . Then on next attempt he was separated so swapped to correct mistake .
Yes Yes , passengers must follow instructions ,it’s the law, no one is special etc etc .
Yes Yes , passengers must follow instructions ,it’s the law, no one is special etc etc .