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Sit back say nothing and take the pineapple?
They have to be called out!
The truth hurts mate and nothing I have said regarding Network is untrue (My opinion)
You can disagree I couldn’t care less my posts have only had the Pilots interest working in the industry that are fed up with the bottom dwellers happy working for nothing.
The rock bottom contract bring all contract down at negotiation time.
how can you have respect for a Captain or Fo that works a day off (rostering can be up to max duty) for $500 and $306 on a A320.
absolute slap in the face for all pilots flying the same or similar aircraft.
You said in an earlier post that you have 40 years in the industry maybe you should get a job at Network after all you think people shouldn’t say anything to people in jobs that have better conditions and pay than Network.
Bin chicken is an accurate representation of what they are..
look at the contract!
“It shows you are nothing more than arrogant, entitled bullies”
You can’t handle the truth I am calling it for how it is.
Put a skirt on Princess.
Just a hypothetical question. If a pilot gets knocked back from mainline but gets into network. Should they take the job on the Fokker or airbus or say no and continue flying a king air for 50k a year?
Another hypothetical question: If an experienced pilot with a major airline lost their job during COVID, wanted to continue flying a similar type and wanted to live in Perth because that's where their family is located, what should they do? Accept a job with Network, or give it all away and pack shelves at Woolies/Bunnings/Coles, because some entitled toy-boy might get upset?
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Another hypothetical question: If an experienced pilot with a major airline lost their job during COVID, wanted to continue flying a similar type and wanted to live in Perth because that's where their family is located, what should they do? Accept a job with Network, or give it all away and pack shelves at Woolies/Bunnings/Coles, because some entitled toy-boy might get upset?
Is that what you think you are really worth ?
Make it a race to the bottom but don’t complain when you are called a Bin Chicken by fellow Australian Pilots.
Network 5th year FO rate $114k
Well a chieftain then. Or a caravan. The question is still the same. We all wanted to get into an airline from ga. Easy to throw stones from the top but people have families and mortgages. You guys are saying they shouldn’t accept what might be the only job for them at the time just to stay pure in your eyes. You guys are really out of touch with what’s going on in the real world.
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An experienced pilot coming back to OZ with a major airline overseas would be well aware that the conditions of Network are rubbish.
Is that what you think you are really worth ?
Make it a race to the bottom but don’t complain when you are called a Bin Chicken by fellow Australian Pilots.
Is that what you think you are really worth ?
Make it a race to the bottom but don’t complain when you are called a Bin Chicken by fellow Australian Pilots.
Well a chieftain then. Or a caravan. The question is still the same. We all wanted to get into an airline from ga. Easy to throw stones from the top but people have families and mortgages. You guys are saying they shouldn’t accept what might be the only job for them at the time just to stay pure in your eyes. You guys are really out of touch with what’s going on in the real world.
Goodluck getting a mortgage on 114k... unless you want to live in Kwinana or Mandurah enjoy the 1 to 2hour commute to Perth airport. I don't think anyone flying a jet expects to be living in Gosnells or Armadale... what an utter disgrace Bin chickens is an insult to actual Bin chickens. Atleast they are some what majestic.
Nothing Majestic about yea I fly an A320 for Qlink and live in Maddington 😂
It's not about me bud, but I know several pilots who were in exactly that position. What would you have them do, take jobs packing shelves, or accept positions at Network, knowing their pay and conditions would be less than those who work at Qantas? Kindly explain what you think they should have done and, more to the point, what would YOU do if you were in their position and unable to secure another airline job in a place where you wanted to live. As I said previously, we all have different circumstances and people make do with the choices they have available at the time.
Especially those in the same company that fly similar aircraft or the same and get played off against network at every turn.
I would have thought those guys at Major Airlines overseas only went because of the great conditions and pay and had some self worth when returning to Australia.
Personally if it was me I would have hoped I made hay while the sun was shining when I was overseas.
You would assume going overseas and working for a MAJOR airline would be a great salary and that being a big reason for leaving.
I understand everyone’s circumstances are different but for me I couldn’t stomach working for a company like Network I did not get into this industry to fly a A320 and be treated like trash as per the EA.
As long as we have people willing to work for nothing aviation in Australia it will continue to be a race to the bottom.
Yes everyone has different circumstances and the choice you make is going to be different to others.
I totally get that.
But again don’t complain when others talk about Network Pilots as Bin Chickens because you know this before you even start…
Goodluck getting a mortgage on 114k... unless you want to live in Kwinana or Mandurah enjoy the 1 to 2hour commute to Perth airport. I don't think anyone flying a jet expects to be living in Gosnells or Armadale... what an utter disgrace Bin chickens is an insult to actual Bin chickens. Atleast they are some what majestic.
Nothing Majestic about yea I fly an A320 for Qlink and live in Maddington 😂
Nothing Majestic about yea I fly an A320 for Qlink and live in Maddington 😂
Insult to the actual Bin Chickens!
Which just goes to show that you have no clue about the circumstances faced by some pilots who were forced to return to Australia after losing their jobs during the pandemic. Many of those pilots were FOs with young families and the younger guys that I know were certainly NOT in a position to come home and put their feet up. I am willing to bet that if you were in their position, you would have done exactly the same and gone to Network if the only alternative was to take another job that paid even less. So get down off your pedestal and understand that we do NOT all have the same choices.
Which just goes to show that you have no clue about the circumstances faced by some pilots who were forced to return to Australia after losing their jobs during the pandemic. Many of those pilots were FOs with young families and the younger guys that I know were certainly NOT in a position to come home and put their feet up. I am willing to bet that if you were in their position, you would have done exactly the same and gone to Network if the only alternative was to take another job that paid even less. So get down off your pedestal and understand that we do NOT all have the same choices.
Which just goes to show that you have no clue about the circumstances faced by some pilots who were forced to return to Australia after losing their jobs during the pandemic. Many of those pilots were FOs with young families and the younger guys that I know were certainly NOT in a position to come home and put their feet up. I am willing to bet that if you were in their position, you would have done exactly the same and gone to Network if the only alternative was to take another job that paid even less. So get down off your pedestal and understand that we do NOT all have the same choices.
Re-read my previous post I stated that.
like you said everyone’s circumstances are different but one I could not stomach.
I would be happy doing what I had to do outside of aviation because if I was at Network I would hate going to work.
That is me though we are all different.
AFAIK the Network crews are being paid whatever the amount is, not to work on an OFF day, but for the inconvenience of having their OFF day moved out to a different day which is mutually acceptable to both parties. Thus they are not being paid X to fly and A320 on an OFF day, but being paid X to fly on a rostered OFF day (if they want - it's a choice) and then having the OFF day rescheduled to a different time, such as turning a 2 day weekend into a 3 day weekend et al.
Let's start by saying that I do not condone the Network conditions, so put the knives away...but the statement above is technically incorrect.
AFAIK the Network crews are being paid whatever the amount is, not to work on an OFF day, but for the inconvenience of having their OFF day moved out to a different day which is mutually acceptable to both parties. Thus they are not being paid X to fly and A320 on an OFF day, but being paid X to fly on a rostered OFF day (if they want - it's a choice) and then having the OFF day rescheduled to a different time, such as turning a 2 day weekend into a 3 day weekend et al.
AFAIK the Network crews are being paid whatever the amount is, not to work on an OFF day, but for the inconvenience of having their OFF day moved out to a different day which is mutually acceptable to both parties. Thus they are not being paid X to fly and A320 on an OFF day, but being paid X to fly on a rostered OFF day (if they want - it's a choice) and then having the OFF day rescheduled to a different time, such as turning a 2 day weekend into a 3 day weekend et al.
Also you probably haven’t read the rostering protocol which forms part of the ea. Not saying it’d change your views but it’s part of the deal.
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