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Look, ladies. I think all the logical people here understand some guys didn’t get kissed on the dick and make it into mainline. Some had no choice during Covid while others are simply upgrading from some pineapple bare bones GA operator flying pistons and filth in the outback. Fine. Nobody is personally hating on them. All the network pilots I talk to aren’t happy. They have applications in with Atlas or somewhere in the sandpit and are ready to go if QF gives them a no. Also, they hate the conditions and indicate to me they are willing to fight.
The argument I think that we need to stick to here is this:
Fight this time around. Don’t be afraid to say no. There’s nothing they can do if you say no. They won’t undercut you with another entity. They’ve already announced more a320s anyway. You’re safe.
Secondly, stop saving their arses when others go sick. $360 or whatever it is, is a joke. Just fly what you’re rostered. Do the minimum.
Not your problem. Don’t feel bad if they cancel a flight. Nobody is dying. Let management deal with it if they can’t crew it.
Go remind yourselves how much profit they make off those mining contracts. They’re milking it. And exploiting you as a result. The fact that the 737 drivers are unhappy should be an indication how much much worse you should feel.
Just stop helping them out. Not your problem. Go chill on the beach instead.
When the crap hits the fan at QF and nobody has put their hand up on the 737 to save them the next day then their schedulers come to the table and have agreed to some juicy favours that pilots there have demanded. If not, hang up. If they care about not cancelling then you’d be surprised what they’ll pay.
The argument I think that we need to stick to here is this:
Fight this time around. Don’t be afraid to say no. There’s nothing they can do if you say no. They won’t undercut you with another entity. They’ve already announced more a320s anyway. You’re safe.
Secondly, stop saving their arses when others go sick. $360 or whatever it is, is a joke. Just fly what you’re rostered. Do the minimum.
Not your problem. Don’t feel bad if they cancel a flight. Nobody is dying. Let management deal with it if they can’t crew it.
Go remind yourselves how much profit they make off those mining contracts. They’re milking it. And exploiting you as a result. The fact that the 737 drivers are unhappy should be an indication how much much worse you should feel.
Just stop helping them out. Not your problem. Go chill on the beach instead.
When the crap hits the fan at QF and nobody has put their hand up on the 737 to save them the next day then their schedulers come to the table and have agreed to some juicy favours that pilots there have demanded. If not, hang up. If they care about not cancelling then you’d be surprised what they’ll pay.
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Look, ladies. I think all the logical people here understand some guys didn’t get kissed on the dick and make it into mainline. Some had no choice during Covid while others are simply upgrading from some pineapple bare bones GA operator flying pistons and filth in the outback. Fine. Nobody is personally hating on them. All the network pilots I talk to aren’t happy. They have applications in with Atlas or somewhere in the sandpit and are ready to go if QF gives them a no. Also, they hate the conditions and indicate to me they are willing to fight.
The argument I think that we need to stick to here is this:
Fight this time around. Don’t be afraid to say no. There’s nothing they can do if you say no. They won’t undercut you with another entity. They’ve already announced more a320s anyway. You’re safe.
Secondly, stop saving their arses when others go sick. $360 or whatever it is, is a joke. Just fly what you’re rostered. Do the minimum.
Not your problem. Don’t feel bad if they cancel a flight. Nobody is dying. Let management deal with it if they can’t crew it.
Go remind yourselves how much profit they make off those mining contracts. They’re milking it. And exploiting you as a result. The fact that the 737 drivers are unhappy should be an indication how much much worse you should feel.
Just stop helping them out. Not your problem. Go chill on the beach instead.
When the crap hits the fan at QF and nobody has put their hand up on the 737 to save them the next day then their schedulers come to the table and have agreed to some juicy favours that pilots there have demanded. If not, hang up. If they care about not cancelling then you’d be surprised what they’ll pay.
The argument I think that we need to stick to here is this:
Fight this time around. Don’t be afraid to say no. There’s nothing they can do if you say no. They won’t undercut you with another entity. They’ve already announced more a320s anyway. You’re safe.
Secondly, stop saving their arses when others go sick. $360 or whatever it is, is a joke. Just fly what you’re rostered. Do the minimum.
Not your problem. Don’t feel bad if they cancel a flight. Nobody is dying. Let management deal with it if they can’t crew it.
Go remind yourselves how much profit they make off those mining contracts. They’re milking it. And exploiting you as a result. The fact that the 737 drivers are unhappy should be an indication how much much worse you should feel.
Just stop helping them out. Not your problem. Go chill on the beach instead.
When the crap hits the fan at QF and nobody has put their hand up on the 737 to save them the next day then their schedulers come to the table and have agreed to some juicy favours that pilots there have demanded. If not, hang up. If they care about not cancelling then you’d be surprised what they’ll pay.
Goodluck getting a mortgage on 114k... unless you want to live in Kwinana or Mandurah enjoy the 1 to 2hour commute to Perth airport. I don't think anyone flying a jet expects to be living in Gosnells or Armadale... what an utter disgrace Bin chickens is an insult to actual Bin chickens. Atleast they are some what majestic.
Nothing Majestic about yea I fly an A320 for Qlink and live in Maddington 😂
Nothing Majestic about yea I fly an A320 for Qlink and live in Maddington 😂
Last edited by RealSatoshi; 5th Mar 2023 at 23:28.
I remember late 90’s, QF cadets fed into Domestic on a slightly reduced contract. Probably about 10% less than Ansett F/O’s. Of course, that was nothing compared to the champions who followed at Virgin Blue.
There’s always someone in aviation who will be getting paid less than you. Follow the money, invest hard and be wary of Chalmers and Albo taking it off you.
Network would have a bunch of former expats, some well set up, even double digit millionaires from their time abroad in Hong Kong. They’ve probably seen a lot more industrially than loud Aussies blowing the whistle here, hoping others go over the trench ahead of them. Wasn’t long ago supermarkets and Bunnings full of QF pilots- just feeding their families of course.
There’s always someone in aviation who will be getting paid less than you. Follow the money, invest hard and be wary of Chalmers and Albo taking it off you.
Network would have a bunch of former expats, some well set up, even double digit millionaires from their time abroad in Hong Kong. They’ve probably seen a lot more industrially than loud Aussies blowing the whistle here, hoping others go over the trench ahead of them. Wasn’t long ago supermarkets and Bunnings full of QF pilots- just feeding their families of course.
That’s basically a direct quote.
Network would have a bunch of former expats, some well set up, even double digit millionaires from their time abroad in Hong Kong. They’ve probably seen a lot more industrially than loud Aussies blowing the whistle here, hoping others go over the trench ahead of them. Wasn’t long ago supermarkets and Bunnings full of QF pilots- just feeding their families of course.
Who come in multiple times a week at 4am to fly half broken A320s and doing day waits for NAA pay?
Risk coming into work so they can break down in Newman or Paraburdoo and have to sleep on the aircraft or ARO’s couch?
Why?
Surely they’d be on their boat sinking tinnies off Rottnest?
With “double digit millions” it’s an even bigger undercut of the industry to bother coming in for such a job to help contribute to keep conditions and pay so low. What expenses or mortgages could they possibly have?
Literally the definition of a bin chicken.
I think you’ve made your point, but who are you to decide when someone should stop working?
Everyone is all talk until they’re put in the position of not having money to pay the mortgage or feed the family, and then they deny ever having said anything like the above and will take the job.
Everyone is all talk until they’re put in the position of not having money to pay the mortgage or feed the family, and then they deny ever having said anything like the above and will take the job.
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To the network guys - if you vote no to whatever crap they throw at you, what are they going to do?
Who else can they offer it to that's paid less?
You literally have nothing to lose.
Who else can they offer it to that's paid less?
You literally have nothing to lose.
Perhaps if NAA pilots grow a pair and hold out for more, they’ll actually realise they deserve more and put themselves and their family in a better financial position. I certainly wish them well.
Because some entitled toy-boy might get upset?
The sooner you realise all the other airline pilots in Australia want better conditions for you, the sooner you’ll put down your sword and stop playing victim.
Let’s talk about what you’re worth! How about:
a) 20% instant pay rise, plus
b) 3% increments
c) Call-outs $1500 PIC, $1000 FO
I think you’ve made your point, but who are you to decide when someone should stop working?
Everyone is all talk until they’re put in the position of not having money to pay the mortgage or feed the family, and then they deny ever having said anything like the above and will take the job.
Everyone is all talk until they’re put in the position of not having money to pay the mortgage or feed the family, and then they deny ever having said anything like the above and will take the job.
I think you’ve made your point, but who are you to decide when someone should stop working?
Everyone is all talk until they’re put in the position of not having money to pay the mortgage or feed the family, and then they deny ever having said anything like the above and will take the job.
Everyone is all talk until they’re put in the position of not having money to pay the mortgage or feed the family, and then they deny ever having said anything like the above and will take the job.
Everyone is all talk until they have no money? Are you thick? Read my comment. It was in reply to the “double digit millionaires”. Are you blind? Do you need crutches for your eyes?
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When you’re a double digit millionaire with no mortgage or expenses and you’re contributing to bringing down the pay and conditions of the battlers below you who have no choice but to take a job at NAA. That’s when one would decide to stop working an underpaid exploitative job.
Everyone is all talk until they have no money? Are you thick? Read my comment. It was in reply to the “double digit millionaires”. Are you blind? Do you need crutches for your eyes?
Everyone is all talk until they have no money? Are you thick? Read my comment. It was in reply to the “double digit millionaires”. Are you blind? Do you need crutches for your eyes?
No respect for the industry!
“Guys, I can’t make this any clearer. This is the offer. Take it or leave it. No negotiating. We have strategic imperatives that need to be met. If you vote this down we will start up another entity and get someone else to fly the A350s.” - Tino La Spina, the Long Haul CEO during the EBA negotiations in late 2019 / early 2020.
The Alliance, Skippers, Maroomba, PenJet etc crews are ready and willing to transition to whatever QF will throw their way at current rates...they all have families to feed and career aspirations in tow.
Start thinking years ahead of IR Extortionists or you will, over time, loose it all...i.e The LITTLE that is still left.
Last edited by RealSatoshi; 6th Mar 2023 at 13:48.
If you believe my appeal for a little civility was me "trying to justify making this industry a race to the bottom", then you clearly have the thought processes of a juvenile. Grow up.
You would have seen the decline in conditions and pay in 40 years you have been in the industry, why not try and stop the freight train and preserve the little we got left.
Surely you can see that working at Network is a bullet train to the bottom.
We can agree to disagree for what it is worth
All this bin chicken talk sums up why conditions have been on a continual decline.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the individuals making decisions to take jobs to feed their family’s.
It does however show the fractions and infighting amongst the pilot community, by the calling of names and questionings others decisions.
We will only get ahead in the industry if we stay united and work together.
Gotta cut out all the kindergarten name calling ladies and gentlemen.
If Alan read this page he’d just laugh.
Strength in solidarity is the only way forward.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the individuals making decisions to take jobs to feed their family’s.
It does however show the fractions and infighting amongst the pilot community, by the calling of names and questionings others decisions.
We will only get ahead in the industry if we stay united and work together.
Gotta cut out all the kindergarten name calling ladies and gentlemen.
If Alan read this page he’d just laugh.
Strength in solidarity is the only way forward.
All this bin chicken talk sums up why conditions have been on a continual decline.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the individuals making decisions to take jobs to feed their family’s.
It does however show the fractions and infighting amongst the pilot community, by the calling of names and questionings others decisions.
We will only get ahead in the industry if we stay united and work together.
Gotta cut out all the kindergarten name calling ladies and gentlemen.
If Alan read this page he’d just laugh.
Strength in solidarity is the only way forward.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the individuals making decisions to take jobs to feed their family’s.
It does however show the fractions and infighting amongst the pilot community, by the calling of names and questionings others decisions.
We will only get ahead in the industry if we stay united and work together.
Gotta cut out all the kindergarten name calling ladies and gentlemen.
If Alan read this page he’d just laugh.
Strength in solidarity is the only way forward.
With “double digit millions” it’s an even bigger undercut of the industry to bother coming in for such a job to help contribute to keep conditions and pay so low. What expenses or mortgages could they possibly have?
If I was cashed up from an overseas gig I personally would not be in a job where I have to wake up at 0300 on a regular basis. For most rational folks the whole reason you get yourself into a strong financial position is so you don’t have to do that. But pilots are not always rational……
