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Old 15th Sep 2022, 23:08
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The QF IR Team is waiting for the Alliance takeover to be approved. They will then approach NAA Unions and Reps to begin negotiations regarding a new EA. They’ll then apply the standard playbook of “sign this rubbish deal or we will replace you”.

What we all need to do is encourage and support NAA Pilots to get negotiating BEFORE QF force their hand. Go in hard and fast.

Even if your not an NAA Pilot or you couldn’t care less about what happens in Perth a quick simple email to your union asking them to begin negotiations for a new NAA EBA could make a massive difference to your pay in the future.

The unions will not ignore 300+ emails from pilots all around Australia asking them to get negotiating.
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Old 15th Sep 2022, 23:20
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Originally Posted by Beryllium Erbium View Post
You have to email a union to ask them to begin negotiations??



Any union I've been a member of has been a wank fest of egos, stopping off there before they head into management.
Doing nothing is obviously not working for NAA. Do you think it’s such a good idea to wait for QF to approach NAA Pilots with a large pineapple?
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Old 16th Sep 2022, 03:51
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There is no doubt at all that AIPA is only supporting QANTAS mainline pilots and all others who think they are being represented are being stooged.
AIPA wil sell out all other group pilots to keep mainline ticking along, eg 3% Payrises, equivalent of 5% in other groups who have mostly got 2% or nothing .
Its time for the group Pilots to get together and form their own representation as at the moment there really isn’t any .
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Old 16th Sep 2022, 05:58
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Let us know how you go.
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 01:18
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From this weeks AIPA newsletter (sent to all members, including Mainline):

Network Aviation negotiations commenced this week on Tuesday with AIPA bargaining reps as well as members from AIPA’s Legal/ IR team attending in Perth. It was pleasing to hear the Network COO confirm that their interests were aligned with AIPA’s in terms of ensuring that we could reach an agreement relatively quickly that focussed on pilot retention and career stability/progression for our Network members.
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 01:21
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer View Post
From this weeks AIPA newsletter (sent to all members, including Mainline):
LMFAO! Rentention!! One operator in china looking for DECs on average coin and I know 8 Network guys sniffing around. Just wait until it gets back to pre COVID demand. Only thing they will retain is an overworked training department, albeit a dis functional one from all reports.
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 01:26
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LMFAO! Rentention!! One operator in china looking for DECs on average coin and I know 8 Network guys sniffing around. Just wait until it gets back to pre COVID demand. Only thing they will retain is an overworked training department, albeit a dis functional one from all reports.
Bring it on!
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 04:51
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Good to see some gentle PPRuNe pressure has encouraged the Pilot unions and QF to finally start discussions.

The NAA Pilots will need to provide QF with a list of non-negotiable ‘Strategic Imperatives’ and if these ‘Strategic Imperatives’ are not met then advise QF that the flying that the NAA Pilots currently conduct will need to be operated by another entity.
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 05:58
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
Good to see some gentle PPRuNe pressure has encouraged the Pilot unions and QF to finally start discussions.
OH MY WORD!
You are só far ahead of your ski's...if you remotely knew as much as you set out to insinuate, you would've known that negotiations had commenced before you started barking on PPRuNe
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Old 17th Sep 2022, 10:19
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
The NAA Pilots will need to provide QF with a list of non-negotiable ‘Strategic Imperatives’ and if these ‘Strategic Imperatives’ are not met then advise QF that the flying that the NAA Pilots currently conduct will need to be operated by another entity.
Unfortunately for QF, most other entities and/or BU’s available to QF are also bleeding pilots faster than they can replace them. What is quite weird about this bleeding of pilots to other entities is that one of those entities absorbing these pilots is QF itself. Perhaps QF needs to consider just running one airline instead of fvcking over hundreds of perfectly good pilots through outsourcing companies who treat them like latter day slaves.
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 02:09
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Originally Posted by morno View Post
How’s that pay structure over there going?
Terrible it looks like. Take a look at that agreement vs the award. Looks like network aviation pays award wages, or less than if they are not keeping up, but can more than award hours. Lost count of the network pilots that have applied to over here.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 14:33
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Originally Posted by ActiveLooker View Post
not bitter mate. I feel for the guys I know at Network. I wouldn’t return to Oz if you paid me double. All I hear about is how bad the boys get treated. The pay structure and SOs is just an example
Geez, that's an odd statement to make for someone up in HK, the guys I know who are still there wouldn't call their treatment good!
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 14:41
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Originally Posted by exfocx View Post
Geez, that's an odd statement to make for someone up in HK, the guys I know who are still there wouldn't call their treatment good!
only live here Ex, work elsewhere.
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Old 2nd Oct 2022, 02:28
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If people are leaving, where are they going?

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Old 2nd Oct 2022, 03:08
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Originally Posted by stevieboy330 View Post
From what I hear most FO's are applying elsewhere, including many who have just joined. Just over 100k these days ain't much to be driving out to work 6 days in a row, often at 4am followed by two off. Half the Captains have already had mainline interviews. It's a shame really it was a great little airline.
really excited for the young fellas who’ve decided to spread their wings. Be so cool to see them with WB Commands when the Captains they are flying with ATM are still F/Os at Kuntas
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As if your visceral hatred of Qantas wasn’t already obvious enough you have to again demonstrate your personal affront that you can’t get a DEC gig.
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Old 2nd Oct 2022, 05:41
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus View Post
As if your visceral hatred of Qantas wasn’t already obvious enough you have to again demonstrate your personal affront that you can’t get a DEC gig.
Hey Bud, I have been offered a few DEC gigs but wouldn’t work for the coin or the conditions. Blows my mind how guys like you justify sitting In the RHS for half your career. Is it fear or stupidity??
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Old 2nd Oct 2022, 06:35
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Who cares what ActiveLooker thinks? He’s obviously a liar
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Old 2nd Oct 2022, 06:55
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Originally Posted by Fatguyinalittlecoat View Post
Who cares what ActiveLooker thinks? He’s obviously a liar
Obviously! Look at yourself fella. I’m not a liar, I fact I’m probably the most honest one here. Stop justifying your choice to be a career F/O.
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Old 2nd Oct 2022, 07:10
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And he’s not very clever it would seem
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