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Old 14th Dec 2022, 08:32
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Angel search for MH 370

The MAS B777, will never be found, why, cause the experts have never lived in Malaysia and do not know the Malaysian way of thinking and " Loss of Face "
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Old 14th Dec 2022, 21:46
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Excellent post GBO.

Possible extra failures to consider are….

Loss of flight instrument screens due to the power coming from TRUs in the vicinity of the bottles. TRUs located in E3 rack.

Loss of pitot/static feeds to the flight instruments causing flight controls to drop to ‘secondary mode’. Causing autopilot and autothrottle to fail. The aircraft could then just meander on with no one at the controls. Its natural stability keeping the aircraft roughly straight and level.
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So just coincidence that the aircraft flew along the the FIR boundary?

We should ignore the flight sim track details on the home PC of the Captain?
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Icarus2001…it flew towards Penang, exactly where a pilot with a sick aircraft would point his aircraft.

The official Malaysian report has stated there are normal gaming activities on the simulator. Only the FBI managed to recreate a suspicious looking route by cherry picking a selected handful of data points from the hard drives.
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Icarus2001…it flew towards Penang, exactly where a pilot with a sick aircraft would point his aircraft.
It paralleled the Malaysian/Thai FIR boundary. That in itself could have been luck however the boundary had a kink in it which MH370 conviently turned and paralleled out to the open ocean.
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Old 14th Dec 2022, 22:51
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”Manually deleting the flight ID would record a SATCOM log off” - see Safety Information Report.

”Without the valid landing altitude data, the cabin altitude warning message shows at 15,000 feet” - see 777 Training Manual 21-30-00 p 38


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MH370 only momentarily followed the Malaysian/Thai border on its diversion to Penang. That was the standard route from Kota Bharu to Penang back in 2014. Note, 30 minutes later, MH6163 flew the exact same route from Kota Bharu to Penang along the border.

The Flight simulator is inconclusive and has many flaws. They just cherry picked waypoints, which didn’t have timestamps and stitched a path together. The waypoints could be from multiple sessions. The last waypoint in the southern Indian Ocean were it ran out of fuel was supposedly flown in a PSS B777, the major problem with this is, the PSS B777 is not compatible with FSX. So how can the first waypoints be in FSX?
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Momentarily huh?

Soap and water for leak detection tests!
​​​​​​​ What is the correct procedure?

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I thought the full moon was last week!
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Old 15th Dec 2022, 01:54
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Originally Posted by GBO

Now for the most likely scenario and endpoint.
So an oxygen bottle ruptured which took out the exact systems that tracked and communicated the aircraft’s position but left every other system necessary for flying the aircraft perfectly intact? Somehow a gradual decompression (even though any fuselage rupture would cause a more than gradual decompression) that went unnoticed by the crew, causing them become unconscious before the cabin altitude warning went off for the first time in history (or did this magical explosion specifically knock out the cabin warning too?). They were aware enough to program a track to Aceh over Penang but too incapacitated to descend, the slightly more critical thing. And then an hour after this magical decompression managed to program the FMC or change heading to turn 90 degrees south past the northern tip of Sumatra, even though in your own story you admit the pilots are dead at this stage?

I suggest you read up on Occam’s Razor.
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So an oxygen bottle ruptured which took out the exact systems that tracked and communicated the aircraft’s position but left every other system necessary for flying the aircraft perfectly intact? Somehow a gradual decompression (even though any fuselage rupture would cause a more than gradual decompression) that went unnoticed by the crew, causing them become unconscious before the cabin altitude warning went off for the first time in history (or did this magical explosion specifically knock out the cabin warning too?). They were aware enough to program a track to Aceh over Penang but too incapacitated to descend, the slightly more critical thing. And then an hour after this magical decompression managed to program the FMC or change heading to turn 90 degrees south past the northern tip of Sumatra, even though in your own story you admit the pilots are dead at this stage?

I suggest you read up on Occam’s Razor.
I think there was a fire as happened on the ground - one that left the cockpit uninhabitable in seconds. The ground fire was so intense it could not be put out by the ground fire fighters for (I think) 30 minutes. The flight control computers are below the floor; mainly the controls will be at risk to a localized fire.It explains the climb as the pilots would be desperate to quench a fire behind a panel the extinguishers could not reach and there would be insufficient time to land before being forced from the controls even if by toxic smoke rather than heat. On the ground the fire burned a hole through the fuselage. That hole would disrupt the airflow a little, causing the plane, in free flight, to pull slightly to one side, a long curving course, although a slight thrust mismatch would do the same. Did the plane encounter a different wind direction or rising air that caused the turn?

The cascade of events from an oxygen fed fire are consistent. Others just don't appear to be.
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I really hope that is (badly written) satire.

What are you smoking guys?
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Originally Posted by MechEngr
I think there was a fire as happened on the ground - one that left the cockpit uninhabitable in seconds. The ground fire was so intense it could not be put out by the ground fire fighters for (I think) 30 minutes. The flight control computers are below the floor; mainly the controls will be at risk to a localized fire.It explains the climb as the pilots would be desperate to quench a fire behind a panel the extinguishers could not reach and there would be insufficient time to land before being forced from the controls even if by toxic smoke rather than heat. On the ground the fire burned a hole through the fuselage. That hole would disrupt the airflow a little, causing the plane, in free flight, to pull slightly to one side, a long curving course, although a slight thrust mismatch would do the same. Did the plane encounter a different wind direction or rising air that caused the turn?

The cascade of events from an oxygen fed fire are consistent. Others just don't appear to be.
So you think MH370 suffered an undetected ground fire (that then was fought by firefighters for 30 minutes - your story doesn’t make sense?). The fire then re-ignited after flight, incapacitated the crew and burned through the transponder but left all the other systems intact? Then the incapacitated crew still managed to alter course 4 times in over an hour to navigate around the northern tip of Sumatra but a tiny hole burned into the fuselage caused an imbalance in airflow directing the aircraft to the middle of the ocean?

I suggest you too read up on Occam’s razor.

The problem with these fantastical “decompression caused hypoxic pilots and erratic actions” and “smoke caused incapacitated pilots and erratic actions” stories is that MH370 was out of contact and under deliberate control for one hour until disappearing off the Indonesian coast. Someone was conscious in the flight deck and making control inputs but not communicating. Smoke inhalation incapacitates someone in at most a few minutes, decompression even in the best case scenario within 10 minutes.

Separating the outlandish variables leads to deliberate actions as the cause.

In my mind trying to find the wreckage is only going to confirm the pilot action theory. The CVR would’ve been overwritten so all that’ll be left is the FDR confirming pilot inputs. It won’t tell us WHY that decision was made.

The real investigation needs to be the family, friends, associates, internet usage, reports of the pilots (esp the Captain) starting from years before the crash.
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Old 15th Dec 2022, 03:28
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Thank you, GBO, for that excellent theory. While it appears a complex series of actions anyone who knows anything about aircraft systems understands the cascading effect a single catastrophic system failure can have on other systems.

Where did you read this? I'd be interested to follow their input more deeply and in particular on the technical explanation of such a (or fitting) bottle failure.
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What still mystifies me is why no apparent signals from the ELT, ULB and the ULB,s on either the CVR or the FDR.
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What still mystifies me is why no apparent signals from the ELT, ULB and the ULB,s on either the CVR or the FDR.
Because they're short range and (relatively) short-lived.. designed for location either on land or relatively close to it within a few days of impact - not in the middle of absolutely nowhere at the bottom of a very deep ocean.
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So you think MH370 suffered an undetected ground fire (that then was fought by firefighters for 30 minutes - your story doesn’t make sense?). The fire then re-ignited after flight, incapacitated the crew and burned through the transponder but left all the other systems intact? Then the incapacitated crew still managed to alter course 4 times in over an hour to navigate around the northern tip of Sumatra but a tiny hole burned into the fuselage caused an imbalance in airflow directing the aircraft to the middle of the ocean?

I suggest you too read up on Occam’s razor.

The problem with these fantastical “decompression caused hypoxic pilots and erratic actions” and “smoke caused incapacitated pilots and erratic actions” stories is that MH370 was out of contact and under deliberate control for one hour until disappearing off the Indonesian coast. Someone was conscious in the flight deck and making control inputs but not communicating. Smoke inhalation incapacitates someone in at most a few minutes, decompression even in the best case scenario within 10 minutes.

Separating the outlandish variables leads to deliberate actions as the cause.

In my mind trying to find the wreckage is only going to confirm the pilot action theory. The CVR would’ve been overwritten so all that’ll be left is the FDR confirming pilot inputs. It won’t tell us WHY that decision was made.

The real investigation needs to be the family, friends, associates, internet usage, reports of the pilots (esp the Captain) starting from years before the crash.
Erm, no. The fire had the same origin as the ground fire on a different plane. Not sure where the confusion comes from. I believe this plane suffered that same failure in-flight.

There's no evidence it was under deliberate control for any hour's time. They didn't draw a giant penis in the sky or spell out "GOODBYE". Things on fire might have wires melt, short circuit, make unexpected connections. Also, there are air currents that rise over islands and would nudge the plane away from them. no need for someone to be at the controls for that. The lines in the diagram look to be fit to far too few data points.

The hole explains the slight curve to the apparent long path not the irregular path before then.

For a pilot to do this would require disabling, killing, or locking out the other flight crew member, and there would have had ample chance to chop through the door to regain access. It seems unlikely for this to have continued for so long. (Note to self - if the pilot purposely depressurizes the plane without explanation, open the cabin doors and kick the slides and ELRBs out as markers while the hand-held oxygen cylinder holds out. Maybe that will trigger an emergency response from Navy or Air Force.)

While they may not find data on the CVR - they may very well find the memory chips from some of the hundred cell phones that people could have recorded their last moments on. If there had been violence, many of those cell phones would have been detected even if calls could not go through from making panicked calls to loved ones.
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”Without the valid landing altitude data, the cabin altitude warning message shows at 15,000 feet” - see 777 Training Manual 21-30-00 p 38
Thanks, I hadn't seen that before, despite operating the B777 for almost 10 years. It's included in the Maintenance Training Manual, but apparently it wasn't considered important enough for the FCOM.

If I'm not mistaken, under your scenario the Satcom SDU remains powered throughout and the logon request at 1825:27 is explained by the right HGA coming into view of the satellite as the aircraft turned. If that were the case, how do you explain the abnormal BFO that was recorded for the log-on transmissions from the aircraft? The MH370 Safety Investigation Report concluded that it was most likely due to the power-on drift of the SDU OCXO, which endorsed the investigators' belief that the 1825:27 log-on was preceded by a lengthy power interruption.
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Originally Posted by MechEngr

There's no evidence it was under deliberate control for any hour's time.
4 changes of course.

One to head back towards Malaysia

One overhead Penang to track toward the Andaman sea about 30 minutes later,

Then probably a third to track south west towards the Indian Ocean and a fourth event further south. But at least 3 deliberate course changes that happened about 30 minutes after each other.

Things on fire might have wires melt, short circuit, make unexpected connections.
An inflight Fire will make an aircraft uncontrollable within 30 minutes.

Also, there are air currents that rise over islands and would nudge the plane away from them. no need for someone to be at the controls for that.
If the A/P is disconnected the plane will enter a spiral dive within seconds.

​​​​​​​For a pilot to do this would require disabling, killing, or locking out the other flight crew member, and there would have had ample chance to chop through the door to regain access. It seems unlikely for this to have continued for so long. (Note to self - if the pilot purposely depressurizes the plane without explanation, open the cabin doors and kick the slides and ELRBs out as markers while the hand-held oxygen cylinder holds out. Maybe that will trigger an emergency response from Navy or Air Force.)
That text confirms to me you are not an airline pilot in several ways.

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Erm, no. The fire had the same origin as the ground fire on a different plane. Not sure where the confusion comes from. I believe this plane suffered that same failure in-flight.

There's no evidence it was under deliberate control for any hour's time. They didn't draw a giant penis in the sky or spell out "GOODBYE". Things on fire might have wires melt, short circuit, make unexpected connections. Also, there are air currents that rise over islands and would nudge the plane away from them. no need for someone to be at the controls for that. The lines in the diagram look to be fit to far too few data points.

The hole explains the slight curve to the apparent long path not the irregular path before then.

For a pilot to do this would require disabling, killing, or locking out the other flight crew member, and there would have had ample chance to chop through the door to regain access. It seems unlikely for this to have continued for so long. (Note to self - if the pilot purposely depressurizes the plane without explanation, open the cabin doors and kick the slides and ELRBs out as markers while the hand-held oxygen cylinder holds out. Maybe that will trigger an emergency response from Navy or Air Force.)

While they may not find data on the CVR - they may very well find the memory chips from some of the hundred cell phones that people could have recorded their last moments on. If there had been violence, many of those cell phones would have been detected even if calls could not go through from making panicked calls to loved ones.
… what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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The BFO does display an overshoot and settling period during the 1825 log on. My research found that the log on is both due to a repowering of SATCOM and then finally exposure of the right HGA to recommence the log on. The BFO overshoot sequence doesn’t actually match the previous logons, since the first BFO is correct and doesn’t display an overshoot.
The SATCOM is powered by the left Main AC bus. With so many left systems down following an oxygen bottle rupture, conducting the Left Main AC bus checklist will repower SATCOM.
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