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Qantas terminates long haul cabin crew agreement, demands more flexibility

Old 25th Jan 2022, 01:25
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Not trying to highjack this CC thread, but I'm interested to hear others opinion. At my outfit, 90% Of the guys and girls I fly with ​​​​​are steadfast in there position that they will never ever fly 90+ hours a month as a standard again. I personally agree 100%. Spending time at home with the kid's is so precious and no amount of over time etc is worth losing that. There will be some that see the allure of $$ and will return to chasing over time and working on their day Off etc. but I actually have faith that many won't. The 4 day work week is already being talked about and implemented in other countries outside of aviation, yet we are expected to give up more, give up more flexibility, bend over for this bigger pineapple please.
Look at the US with the great resignation. Airlines offering ridiculous salaries for pilots because people decided to walk out of the industry. Many other industries having to bolster pay to entice new blood. I hope there is change in Aus but I feel we're too selfish and apathetic to change it.
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 11:03
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As a pilot with Qantas you have my support. What I find completely disgusting is this moral vacuum pervading management during a time of fractious, difficult human emotional toll. If this company purports to be Australian then it should acknowledge that the last two years have been nothing short of very difficult for most. Only a war would be more confrontational in my view. How is it that the F/As have been singled out by the CEO and made an example of because they had the audacity to oppose a deal that wasn’t in Qantas’ best interest. I’ve sat and listened to those that with me were incarcerated at Howard National Disgrace Springs for several weeks in order to eek out a living worrying about where their lives were headed, whilst the fuc*wits in Sydney were hell bent on how to screw them over given the first opportunity. Corporate arseholes no less.

The face of Qantas is it’s Cabin Crew. Yep the ones that have to kowtow to all sorts of petulant trumped up frequent flyers using points thinking that they’re so special and yet this company in its wisdom chooses to put the boot in at the lowest point. Congratulations Qantas, you bunch of pricks ( my opinion) for illustrating just how low a corporate can go. Whether you believe the T&Cs are justified doesn’t matter. What you should be addressing is the corporate thuggery from Qantas.

Treat people with dignity and intelligence and the company might be rewarded yet here we are back in the 70s engaged in an ideological anti union bashing campaign spear headed by a farmer from NZ ffs.

Ive worked on minimum wage and know what it’s like to have your personal dignity ripped from underneath. If the last two years has taught me anything it’s that personal dignity and self worth are paramount as absolutes that require defending beyond money or a corporate non entity the likes of Qantas. It’s not a person. It doesn’t think. It has no morality or ethics and neither do the people that believe they’re leaders within this bullshit corporate spinning paradigm. End of rant.

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Old 25th Jan 2022, 12:34
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Worthy rant Troo B. .. many hits of nails on heads. Sadly, these days, the pool of decent human being managers is very small .
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 14:06
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As a pilot with Qantas you have my support. What I find completely disgusting is this moral vacuum pervading management during a time of fractious, difficult human emotional toll.

corporate non entity which is what Qantas is. Itís not a person. It doesnít think. It has no morality or ethics and either do the people that believe theyíre leaders within this bullshit corporate spinning paradigm. End of rant.
Well said, as a group we need everyone to see this and reflect on their engagement with the company.
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 14:15
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"The face of Qantas is it’s Cabin Crew. Yep the ones that have to kowtow to all sorts of petulant trumped up frequent flyers using points thinking that they’re so special " Wow True B good thing you aren't part of the cabin crew if that is your attitude to the customers. You may not have been down back for a while but here is some news. Almost nobody has been able to use Qantas FF for years and most people had millions of points racked up that eventually time expired. They can be exchanged for a toaster however. Qantas FF points are a net negative for the airline now because the fact that they are plainly designed not to be used just builds more resentment among the demographic it should be targeting. The people you are flying almost always paid for their tickets unless they are public "servants" who I assume are obligated to fly Qantas.

It is incredible i think that to date the cabin crew on Qantas have been so professional under the circumstances. Well done to all of those.

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Old 25th Jan 2022, 20:01
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Worthy rant Troo B. .. many hits of nails on heads. Sadly, these days, the pool of decent human being managers is very small .
He is pretty well spot on as you say,there is no respect from so called managers & execs who have clearly forgotten where they have come from whether it be a farm or from 1 of the worst suburbs of a major city in the emerald isle.
I once heard an ex workmate sum it up pretty well by saying 'we love the job we do but we have no respect for the company that employs us'
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 21:27
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Wow True B good thing you aren't part of the cabin crew if that is your attitude to the customers. You may not have been down back for a while but here is some news. Almost nobody has been able to use Qantas FF for years and most people had millions of points racked up that eventually time expired. They can be exchanged for a toaster however. Qantas FF points are a net negative for the airline now because the fact that they are plainly designed not to be used just builds more resentment among the demographic it should be targeting. The people you are flying almost always paid for their tickets unless they are public "servants" who I assume are obligated to fly Qantas.
What the. I don't even know where to start with this.

In other news, I'm enjoying Qantas declaring war on their workers under the auspices of 'COVID', whilst simultaneously giving themselves massive pay rises.



I guess this means the 'Qantas 3% wage policy" no longer applies right?! Pop the Champaign everyone, 26.5% pay rises are coming for all of us!


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Old 25th Jan 2022, 22:54
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Is that the "Spirit of Australia" ... Would you like to be a soldier at war if these fine upstanding people were the military commanders?
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What the. I don't even know where to start with this.

In other news, I'm enjoying Qantas declaring war on their workers under the auspices of 'COVID', whilst simultaneously giving themselves massive pay rises.



I guess this means the 'Qantas 3% wage policy" no longer applies right?! Pop the Champaign everyone, 26.5% pay rises are coming for all of us!
Rex almost gave the same pay increase to their board. Within 1% of Qantas!
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 23:27
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat View Post
What the. I don't even know where to start with this.

In other news, I'm enjoying Qantas declaring war on their workers under the auspices of 'COVID', whilst simultaneously giving themselves massive pay rises.



I guess this means the 'Qantas 3% wage policy" no longer applies right?! Pop the Champaign everyone, 26.5% pay rises are coming for all of us!
Absolutely disgusting, while most of the frontline staff have their pays frozen, stood down on job keeper... if there lucky not to get made redundant.
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 23:33
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What's a "CEO QANTAS Loyalty"?
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Old 26th Jan 2022, 00:03
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What's a "CEO QANTAS Loyalty"?
Frequent Flyer program - the only part of the business that consistently turned a profit.
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Old 26th Jan 2022, 00:13
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Frequent Flyer program - the only part of the business that consistently turned a profit.
How profitable would it be in the absence of the parts of the business that fly aeroplanes?
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Old 26th Jan 2022, 00:20
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat View Post
What the. I don't even know where to start with this.

In other news, I'm enjoying Qantas declaring war on their workers under the auspices of 'COVID', whilst simultaneously giving themselves massive pay rises.



I guess this means the 'Qantas 3% wage policy" no longer applies right?! Pop the Champaign everyone, 26.5% pay rises are coming for all of us!
Where you might want to start with the executive remuneration summary is the pre-pandemic report.



I know that it doesn't fit the "26.5% pay rises" narrative but it clearly shows that none of the executives have had an increase in their remuneration at all; to the contrary they have all taken pay cuts.
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Old 26th Jan 2022, 00:21
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Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard View Post
How profitable would it be in the absence of the parts of the business that fly aeroplanes?
Just think how much money they'd make if they didn't have these pesky aircraft, cabin crew and pilot's to pay etc.
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I know that it doesn't fit the "26.5% pay rises" narrative but it clearly shows that none of the executives have had an increase in their remuneration at all; to the contrary they have all taken pay cuts.
That's why AJ was out spruiking that QF management needed to increase salary to keep staff in the middle of Billions of losses. They had cut some deal for swapping salary for shares during the pandemic but obviously they are maneuvering for more.
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Old 26th Jan 2022, 03:33
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Originally Posted by MickG0105 View Post
Where you might want to start with the executive remuneration summary is the pre-pandemic report.

I know that it doesn't fit the "26.5% pay rises" narrative but it clearly shows that none of the executives have had an increase in their remuneration at all; to the contrary they have all taken pay cuts.
Pay me 5x my normal salary a couple of years in a row and Iíll happily revert to my normal salary the following year and then take a 26.5% pay rise the year after.
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Old 26th Jan 2022, 21:42
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I know that it doesn't fit the "26.5% pay rises" narrative but it clearly shows that none of the executives have had an increase in their remuneration at all; to the contrary they have all taken pay cuts.
Well boo friggin hoo, paycut to 1.7million is still $4778 a day, assuming he works 365days a year... while most of the workforce is on $750 a week struggling to put food on the table.
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I know that it doesn't fit the "26.5% pay rises" narrative but it clearly shows that none of the executives have had an increase in their remuneration at all; to the contrary they have all taken pay cuts.
As have the staff since 2019 and in most cases a significantly greater percentage pay cut than the executive (but you can do anything with statistics).
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As have the staff since 2019 and in most cases a significantly greater percentage pay cut than the executive (but you can do anything with statistics).
You can also do anything on $30k a week!
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