Qantas terminates long haul cabin crew agreement, demands more flexibility
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This could be a segue from the French revolution. A gold coin contribution from every shafted worker should be sufficient to acquire one or more working guillotines, a few spare blades and some chains. Not sure about Popcorn.
5 grand a day to help run a airline. The same person puts his mother into an aged care home and the person that looks after her gets about $23.00 an hour. Puts a lot into perspective really.
Originally Posted by Mr Proach
This could be a segue from the French revolution. A gold coin contribution from every shafted worker should be sufficient to acquire one or more working guillotines, a few spare blades and some chains. Not sure about Popcorn.
I think the Hong Konger’s will be taking up supply for the next little while
5 grand a day to help run a airline. The same person puts his mother into an aged care home and the person that looks after her gets about $23.00 an hour. Puts a lot into perspective really.
On saying that though QF never really test the CEO or executive job market. It's all just "jobs for the boys".
Originally Posted by neville_nobody
However just about anybody could work in aged care. Not everyone can or wants to run an airline.
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Originally Posted by Chris2303
The execs at QF have no idea what respect means & is 1 of the main reasons why the workforce has such a low opinion of their managers who continually try to use every trick in the book to lower conditions & pay whilst at the same time continually tell everyone what a great job they do.
Originally Posted by neville_nobody
However just about anybody could work in aged care. Not everyone can or wants to run an airline.
On saying that though QF never really test the CEO or executive job market. It's all just "jobs for the boys".
On saying that though QF never really test the CEO or executive job market. It's all just "jobs for the boys".
Originally Posted by neville_nobody
Not everyone can or wants to run an airline..
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat
Agreed. Hopefully one day the Qantas group find someone who can.
who sent Virgin into administration? Who set up Compass and failed?
Who were the wizards that saw Ansett’s demise?
should I continue?
Originally Posted by wombat watcher
you have to be joking.
who sent Virgin into administration? Who set up Compass and failed?
Who were the wizards that saw Ansett’s demise?
should I continue?
who sent Virgin into administration? Who set up Compass and failed?
Who were the wizards that saw Ansett’s demise?
should I continue?
Originally Posted by morno
Exactly. A lot of you may not like Alan Joyce, but your airline isn’t exactly about to go into administration is it…..
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
Not everyone can fly aeroplanes (tech or cabin crew). It’s a specialised “profession” that these CEOs cannot get rich without. The fact that QF have decided to return to the table is rather telling.
Pretty smart tactic by QF if they are playing hardball. Look at what the alternatives are for each party. Qantas has nothing to lose at mediation as they don't have to agree to anything. FAAA has their back to the wall as the termination process is still in place. If they don't agree with what QF has to offer there is a risk they may lose everything and end up with the modern award, which is a win for Qantas. If they come to a mediated outcome, it will probably be the outcome Qantas wants as there is no reason for Qantas to agree with anything less. If they don't come to agreement, it will give strength to the Qantas application for termination. It would be a risky strategy for the FAAA to be betting the farm on the application to terminate being dismissed and then reverting to the existing agreement that would still need to be negotiated.
There are some hard lessons to be learned here about IR strategy. Hopefully pilots can look to these lessons when having to make important industrial decisions rather than conflating the issues with the moral arguments around executive remuneration.
Originally Posted by theheadmaster
Not sure what you mean by 'The fact that QF have decided to return to the table is rather telling'.
There are some hard lessons to be learned here about IR strategy. Hopefully pilots can look to these lessons when having to make important industrial decisions rather than conflating the issues with the moral arguments around executive remuneration.
There are some hard lessons to be learned here about IR strategy. Hopefully pilots can look to these lessons when having to make important industrial decisions rather than conflating the issues with the moral arguments around executive remuneration.
The industrial landscape is as brutal as ever for airline employees in Australia with Industrial Laws stacked against employees and a pretty ‘employer friendly’ Commission.
I hope this current crop of airline management reap what they sow. This played out over Christmas at VA when cabin crew, and to a lesser extent pilots, refused to work on days off, which when combined with significant sick leave led to massive issues in crewing the flying. How long until this starts to happen at QF and then JQ?
Nunc est bibendum
They are certainly heavily geared towards the employer. The irony is that the Coalition government has left them virtually untouched since they came to power in 2013. They’re virtually the same as they were when Labor got rid of Workchoices in 2008 and introduced the Fairwork Commission.
And lets not forget that the lockout in QF happened under a Labor government and their laws also.
No, definitely not employee friendly.
Of course the question is how should a union respond to that point? I’ll leave that little hand grenade just lying in the dirt for a bit!
And lets not forget that the lockout in QF happened under a Labor government and their laws also.
No, definitely not employee friendly.
Of course the question is how should a union respond to that point? I’ll leave that little hand grenade just lying in the dirt for a bit!
Pretty smart tactic by QF if they are playing hardball.
Originally Posted by Keg
They are certainly heavily geared towards the employer. The irony is that the Coalition government has left them virtually untouched since they came to power in 2013. They’re virtually the same as they were when Labor got rid of Workchoices in 2008 and introduced the Fairwork Commission.
And lets not forget that the lockout in QF happened under a Labor government and their laws also.
No, definitely not employee friendly.
Of course the question is how should a union respond to that point? I’ll leave that little hand grenade just lying in the dirt for a bit!
And lets not forget that the lockout in QF happened under a Labor government and their laws also.
No, definitely not employee friendly.
Of course the question is how should a union respond to that point? I’ll leave that little hand grenade just lying in the dirt for a bit!
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Originally Posted by Keg
They are certainly heavily geared towards the employer.
No, definitely not employee friendly.
No, definitely not employee friendly.
Australia has one of the most employee friendly IR arrangements in the World.
