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Qantas terminates long haul cabin crew agreement, demands more flexibility

Old 20th Jan 2022, 00:39
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Qantas terminates long haul cabin crew agreement, demands more flexibility

https://www.reuters.com/article/qant...-idINL1N2TZ2W1

If they win this, it may set the tone for other EBA's battle.
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 01:29
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Never waste a crisis.


Its as much a threat to every other employee group who will be in negotiations soon, as it is to deal with the International Cabin Crew negotiations now.
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 01:44
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Weren’t the EFA folks hoping to get there EA cancelled to get a pay rise?
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 01:48
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Millions of dollars skimmed away by upper managers while many have lost everything (in some cases mates-permanently) and now QF want to screw their staff down some more. Disgraceful! The end of an airline job as a career Australia is upon us.
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 01:50
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That is a very disturbing article on a number of levels. That suggests the cabin crew would have to remain emergency procedures proficient across multiple aircraft types for less than the current remuneration. If you are continuously changing aircraft types, to maintain safety margins you would have to be continuously re-familiarising with the emergency equipment layout and procedures for each aircraft type which would leave very little spare time for providing ancillary functions such as aisle service.
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 01:51
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Is going back to award wages a pay rise for them?
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 02:06
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That is a very disturbing article on a number of levels. That suggests the cabin crew would have to remain emergency procedures proficient across multiple aircraft types for less than the current remuneration. If you are continuously changing aircraft types, to maintain safety margins you would have to be continuously re-familiarising with the emergency equipment layout and procedures for each aircraft type which would leave very little spare time for providing ancillary functions such as aisle service.
You mean in the way other airlines CC such as BA, Virgin Atlantic and Australia (when they had LH B777 and A330 types), EK, EY, QR and who knows how many others with mixed fleets operate with no significant problems? My partner is CC for an airline and works across multiple types, equipment and layouts with no issues. As an Engineer I am Licensed and work across multiple types, engines, equipment and configs (even within the same type). If the Union were a bit more aware, they should be negotiating a reasonable pay rise on the basis of their members expanded qualifications.
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 02:11
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Maybe the company can show flexibility too by combining all the groups into one. Imagine the cost savings engineering, ground handling, HR, safety departments, managersssss......
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 02:16
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It’s particularly curios to me that an airline bent on safety would be focused so heavily on cost cutting.

I would never suggest a nation wide airline staff strike, that would be inciteful.
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 02:17
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This is laughable. Says EBA that was voted down will allegedly cost (no doubt some pretty loose assumptions being used to bump up the figure) the airline $60m over 4 years. So less than the CEOs salary then?
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 02:20
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Originally Posted by Mr Proach View Post
If you are continuously changing aircraft types, to maintain safety margins you would have to be continuously re-familiarising with the emergency equipment layout and procedures for each aircraft type which would leave very little spare time for providing ancillary functions such as aisle service.
Your entire post reads like it's from someone that has little understanding of what CC do. The simple act of being dual- or triple-endorsed isn't what you're making it out to be. If someone is passing their EPs and checks consistently, and possesses any kind of awareness around their job, they shouldn't have a problem in carrying out their duties properly. Technically, an aircraft shouldn't be boarded let alone departed unless all equipment checks have been carried out - so I'm unsure what kind of aisle service you're thinking people are being deprived of. There's a valid argument to be had around what QF is trying to pull, but the angle you're using isn't really it.
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This is laughable. Says EBA that was voted down will allegedly cost (no doubt some pretty loose assumptions being used to bump up the figure) the airline $60m over 4 years. So less than the CEOs salary then?
One person costing (and I mean costing) more than the entire workforce (and I mean those who do the work). That right there speaks volumes about the regime leading us.
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 02:25
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Wouldn't it be funny if they couldn't find enough Flight Attendants to crew the flights they want to operate?
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 02:42
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Wouldn't it be funny if they couldn't find enough Flight Attendants to crew the flights they want to operate?
Probably why they’re recruiting onto the new leaner contract right now
https://qantas.wd3.myworkdayjobs.com...in-Crew_R77479
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 03:13
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If the Union were a bit more aware, they should be negotiating a reasonable pay rise on the basis of their members expanded qualifications.
They tried. They were told ‘no’.

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I would never suggest a nation wide airline staff strike, that would be inciteful.
And a strike would likely be illegal. With damages potentially awarded against those who do strike.
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Pretty hypocritical of Qantas to say that the current contract’s rostering provisions are inflexible, when they are the ones who put them in place to cut costs.

LH crew used to fly on all LH types (I believe) and then Qantas wanted cheaper crew to fly on the A380. They came up with a very cheap B-scale that all CC on the A380 were covered by. The original LH crew remained on the 767, 330 and 747.
Then the 787 came along and again Qantas only wanted cheaper CC on it.
The 767 and the 747 have been retired so the original crew are now marooned on the A330. But this was all orchestrated by Qantas to drive down CC salaries, yet Qantas have the gall to say the contract needs to be ripped up due to the very rostering practices they forced into place.

Typical disgusting behaviour from Qantas IR.
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 03:27
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Ex AN CC here. We were endorsed on the 767, 737, 727 & A320 it was no big deal.

But at the same time I agree with what Beer Baron said above. Plenty of mates at QF and they were not allowed to go over to the A380 & 787 unless they were happy to get screwed deluxe and accept a new award.
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 03:37
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Plenty of pilots out there saying this couldn’t / wouldn’t happen when the opposition’s pilot EA was up for vote the second time around.
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 03:47
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And a strike would likely be illegal. With damages potentially awarded against those who do strike.
Ok, Protected Industrial Action
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Ok, Protected Industrial Action
You need to have gone past the expiry date of your enterprise agreement to be able to follow the process to get approval from Fair Work to conduct protected industrial action. Moreover, the action cannot be in support of claims by workers under a different industrial agreement. So, no, there cannot be ‘industry wide‘ protected industrial action.
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