New 'Bonza' LCC launches middle 2022 with B737 MAX
And of course there are well dressed F/Os who cant fly a stick up a dog's arse - but at least to the public he looks like he can.
Now I'm starting to realise why dog anxiety is on the rise.
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You've probably been on these forums pontificating about why pilots must keep remuneration levels commensurate with the responsibilities, the non benign airborne environment, the years of study, hours building and qualifications earned (bus driver??), the checking regime, the medical standards. etc etc.
True, we are incredibly narcissistic, self entitled bus drivers. News flash kid. What we do isn't difficult, it doesn't require a towering IQ, kids with a single year of training can do it and do do it, just fine. You are not special. You sound like one of these sad figures who pours their entire identity into this job, then dies 2 years after retirement.
As for the uniform, your argument is flawed. Sure, a uniform does not make you fly better. Fly in the nude for all I care - it won't affect how you fly. But the uniform is about PUBLIC PERCEPTION and that is all. It is about making you and your airline looking the part, looking professional - looking like the kind of well studied, competent flyer that the nervous flyer wants to trust. I sit in terminals and often look at uniform standards. When I see the guy with tie on but dragged 6 inches down with the top button undone, no jacket on, shirt pulled out a bit, hat under the arm - I think slob, I think bad attitude, I think lazy piece of shit. Not the guy I want flying me as he looks like he hasn't opened a book in 30 years and wouldn't know his memory items or limitations. My point is, he may know them all perfectly, he may fly like a bird, he may be a great guy - but to the public in the terminal, he looks like he's just stepped out of the Bruisers Arms in Blacktown at 2 am on a Saturday morning. If you think that's ok Das, you are better suited to lollypop man on the Princes Highway.
I saw a VA crew come out of the aerobridge recently - F/O looked immaculate - hat on, jacket done up, tie done up. The other guy - I assume captain - but he had no jacket, no wings, no tie, no epaulettes, no hat, just a withe shirt and a nav bag. Great attitude mate. F/O looked like a keen young guy who I would trust. But hey, he's just a bus driver isn't he Das.
10 bucks says this bloke asks the pax if they want a signed copy of his book when he takes crew rest.
So... an Air bus? What a ridiculous term, nobody would ever refer to plane with such an expression right? ..... right?!?
wait a minute..
it's hilarious how seriously some of you lot take yourselves. You drive a bus, you're not rocket surgeons. The bonza uniform isn't to my taste, so I manage that by simply not applying. It's that easy. If a 22 year old can fly an F35 wearing little more than a green garbage bag, I'm sure the great and distinguished profession of disconnecting the autopilot at 100ft and 'sort of' flaring will survive some tin pot operator going easy on the sacrosanct dress standards. Deary me.
wait a minute..
it's hilarious how seriously some of you lot take yourselves. You drive a bus, you're not rocket surgeons. The bonza uniform isn't to my taste, so I manage that by simply not applying. It's that easy. If a 22 year old can fly an F35 wearing little more than a green garbage bag, I'm sure the great and distinguished profession of disconnecting the autopilot at 100ft and 'sort of' flaring will survive some tin pot operator going easy on the sacrosanct dress standards. Deary me.
I've heard of rocket scientists and brain surgeons though.
As a bus driver I'm deeply offended that you compare pilots to my profession. But in all seriousness you only call a pilot a bus driver if you want to degrade them, which also says you are pompous enough to say that bus drivers are some how some lower form of employment. I don't think of myself above or below bus drivers or whatever, it's a completely different job with different challenges. I have respect for good bus drivers (having worked the job and alongside them) as much as I respect good pilots. When you see a driver navigate traffic with mm to spare from obstacles at a pace to keep schedule and not swap paint, pull in and out of traffic confidently without passengers falling all over the shop and picking lines through roundabouts that don't mount curbs and knock over signs then they are doing good.
As a bus driver I'm deeply offended that you compare pilots to my profession. But in all seriousness you only call a pilot a bus driver if you want to degrade them, which also says you are pompous enough to say that bus drivers are some how some lower form of employment. I don't think of myself above or below bus drivers or whatever, it's a completely different job with different challenges. I have respect for good bus drivers (having worked the job and alongside them) as much as I respect good pilots. When you see a driver navigate traffic with mm to spare from obstacles at a pace to keep schedule and not swap paint, pull in and out of traffic confidently without passengers falling all over the shop and picking lines through roundabouts that don't mount curbs and knock over signs then they are doing good.
Take a bow.
So much salt that I don't hold your precious title in the reverence you think it deserves. Is your social media profile photo in uniform? Is that the issue? Do you have PILOTGRL numberplates? Let me guess, your credit card name starts with "Captain".
Back to reality. It's a job. You're not special. Bus drivers are cool.
how difficult you are to replace is what dictates how much you get paid. The rest is self important drivel
Bonza's bullshit regarding their uniform is embarrassing. The uniform of an airline pilot is important. How you present yourself as a professional is important, regardless of how good or bad you are as a pilot. At least aim for a standard. A high one.
If you're in GA tangling with oil, fuel and all of the other rubbish, a professional uniform is one that reflects the reality of the job.
If I'm jumping on a Part 121 service, some d!ckhead wearing Dunlop Volleys because the bigger d!ckhead (CEO) is trying to prove to their financier that they're the new Richard Branson doesn't cut it with me or probably, the punter.
You don't prove yourself as an airline by wanky gimmicks, you prove yourself by profit, customer service and long term longevity, not ****en idiots trying to look cool in stupid wiggles like uniforms.
Funny that. Meanwhile, as I argue that pilots and bus drivers are on the same level (which they are, it's basically the same job)
You can go from zero to a control seat of a 240 pax airliner with a year of training. Last time I checked it takes 4 years to even become an accountant. Just how qualified do you think you are?
As for bus drivers, what they do isn't easy. They are responsible for the safety of their passengers. They have to operate in an environment saturated in threats. We do things they don't. They do things we don't, but end of the day, it's the same sport. Put people in big metal container and deliver them safely somewhere else.
You can go from zero to a control seat of a 240 pax airliner with a year of training.
Just how qualified do you think you are?
Of course, only Australia knows boats! That got a laugh out of me. Regardless, a JQ cadet course isn't far off, maybe an additional 6 months? It's sfa, and still less than half the time required to even be an accountant.
An honour to meet a real life rocket surgeon. 
Interesting statement, given nearly twice as many people died in Australias worst bus crash vs Australias worst plane crash.
This argument is boring now. If you think being a pilot makes you special, you're deluded. Feel free to fight amongst yourselves.
This argument is boring now. If you think being a pilot makes you special, you're deluded. Feel free to fight amongst yourselves.
This right here is proving Das’s point. This is part of the Austronaut culture where if you have flown a clapped out 210 in the middle of nowhere for 5 years, that you’re somehow incapable of being a real pilot and lack the decision making and manipulation skills to fly IFR in a highly automated jet.
Somehow the rest of the world can let low hour guys and gals jump into a control seat however in Aus, they wouldn’t be considered ‘real pilots’.
Pilots in Australia need a reality check. It’s a job, we’re all replaceable. Look at how many pilots the QF academy is currently pumping out. The majority of candidates will be capable of jumping into the right hand seat of a turbo prop or a jet with no issues.
If you want an ego, go become a lawyer, surgeon, heck join aviation management. They get paid the big bucks because their skills and experience are tightly held. Not everyone wants or has what it takes to study for 10-15 years to get a consultant/barrister level.
The only hurdles to getting a pilots license are costs and holding a medical. Although the cost problem has now disappeared with vet fee.
Somehow the rest of the world can let low hour guys and gals jump into a control seat however in Aus, they wouldn’t be considered ‘real pilots’.
Pilots in Australia need a reality check. It’s a job, we’re all replaceable. Look at how many pilots the QF academy is currently pumping out. The majority of candidates will be capable of jumping into the right hand seat of a turbo prop or a jet with no issues.
If you want an ego, go become a lawyer, surgeon, heck join aviation management. They get paid the big bucks because their skills and experience are tightly held. Not everyone wants or has what it takes to study for 10-15 years to get a consultant/barrister level.
The only hurdles to getting a pilots license are costs and holding a medical. Although the cost problem has now disappeared with vet fee.
This right here is proving Das’s point. This is part of the Austronaut culture where if you have flown a clapped out 210 in the middle of nowhere for 5 years, that you’re somehow incapable of being a real pilot and lack the decision making and manipulation skills to fly IFR in a highly automated jet.
Somehow the rest of the world can let low hour guys and gals jump into a control seat however in Aus, they wouldn’t be considered ‘real pilots’.
Pilots in Australia need a reality check. It’s a job, we’re all replaceable. Look at how many pilots the QF academy is currently pumping out. The majority of candidates will be capable of jumping into the right hand seat of a turbo prop or a jet with no issues.
If you want an ego, go become a lawyer, surgeon, heck join aviation management. They get paid the big bucks because their skills and experience are tightly held. Not everyone wants or has what it takes to study for 10-15 years to get a consultant/barrister level.
Somehow the rest of the world can let low hour guys and gals jump into a control seat however in Aus, they wouldn’t be considered ‘real pilots’.
Pilots in Australia need a reality check. It’s a job, we’re all replaceable. Look at how many pilots the QF academy is currently pumping out. The majority of candidates will be capable of jumping into the right hand seat of a turbo prop or a jet with no issues.
If you want an ego, go become a lawyer, surgeon, heck join aviation management. They get paid the big bucks because their skills and experience are tightly held. Not everyone wants or has what it takes to study for 10-15 years to get a consultant/barrister level.
Das - you are the master at missing the point. I agree with you one hundred percent, what we do isn't hard. How we do it is not affected by how we dress. but...........aah, I can't be bothered.
Why can't you engage in debate without slinging shit like me signing autographs of my books etc? We're having a debate. I said your comments stun me, you throw insults. And you're throwing insults at others. Good job.
To answer you question, am I even an airline pilot - well firstly, I've retired at 58. But just a quick snapshot from the CV
B747-400
A330
A320
Bae 146
Falcon 900
Westwind
Challenger 604/605
13 years RAAF
Now, are you gunna buy a copy of my book or not?
Why can't you engage in debate without slinging shit like me signing autographs of my books etc? We're having a debate. I said your comments stun me, you throw insults. And you're throwing insults at others. Good job.
To answer you question, am I even an airline pilot - well firstly, I've retired at 58. But just a quick snapshot from the CV
B747-400
A330
A320
Bae 146
Falcon 900
Westwind
Challenger 604/605
13 years RAAF
Now, are you gunna buy a copy of my book or not?
I would much prefer the person next to me had made all those silly mistakes in the Piper or Baron, vs next to me flying a 180 seat airliner. At the end of the day the whole point is to mass produce numbers aka pilots, with a good product in a minimum timeframe. Due to the automation of this day, the ability for low time pilots to constantly fumble has been eliminated, which is all that management care about. However when the automation sh!ts itself high in the sky, I need someone next to me that can do what I ask, react as required. I’ve seen and experienced that on one occasion, reaction was poor, clueless, struggled with the basics when I needed them. The training department apologised and sent them back to the sim. Problem apparently now averted.
I have seen many cockups in Asia from these programs. Now if only they all got reported.
