Originally Posted by
rodney rude
Das Uber you stun me. "You realise you drive a bus/" In one short (stupid) statement you have entirely destroyed the concept of pilot remuneration
Pilot remuneration is dictated by market forces, not whether I wear a tie to work. You seem to believe that 'prestige' has a part to play in what we are paid. If we are talking stupid statements, you just hit the jackpot. When the mining crunch was in full swing people at McDonalds were making 80k. Train drivers 350k and more. What you do is irrelevant, how diffucilt you are to replace is what dictates how much you get paid. The rest is self important drivel.
Originally Posted by
rodney rude
Should we be paid $72k like a bus driver?
Refer above
Originally Posted by
rodney rude
You've probably been on these forums pontificating about why pilots must keep remuneration levels commensurate with the responsibilities, the non benign airborne environment, the years of study, hours building and qualifications earned (bus driver??), the checking regime, the medical standards. etc etc.
Nope. Want to have another go?
Originally Posted by
rodney rude
We are not JUST bus drivers.
True, we are incredibly narcissistic, self entitled bus drivers. News flash kid. What we do isn't difficult, it doesn't require a towering IQ, kids with a single year of training can do it and do do it, just fine. You are not special. You sound like one of these sad figures who pours their entire identity into this job, then dies 2 years after retirement.
Originally Posted by
rodney rude
As for the uniform, your argument is flawed. Sure, a uniform does not make you fly better. Fly in the nude for all I care - it won't affect how you fly. But the uniform is about PUBLIC PERCEPTION and that is all. It is about making you and your airline looking the part, looking professional - looking like the kind of well studied, competent flyer that the nervous flyer wants to trust. I sit in terminals and often look at uniform standards. When I see the guy with tie on but dragged 6 inches down with the top button undone, no jacket on, shirt pulled out a bit, hat under the arm - I think slob, I think bad attitude, I think lazy piece of ****. Not the guy I want flying me as he looks like he hasn't opened a book in 30 years and wouldn't know his memory items or limitations. My point is, he may know them all perfectly, he may fly like a bird, he may be a great guy - but to the public in the terminal, he looks like he's just stepped out of the Bruisers Arms in Blacktown at 2 am on a Saturday morning. If you think that's ok Das, you are better suited to lollypop man on the Princes Highway.
Nice straw man. I haven't argued that you should show up to work filthy and looking like you're homeless. I wear my uniform correctly. I'm arguing that the histrionics regarding the bonza uniform is typical self important pilot tripe. Not wearing a tie is not the death of the profession. The same clowns carried on about virgin's launch uniform with the bomber jackets and relaxed approach and they did just fine. Infact it wasn't until the great rebranding and 'professional appearance' push did the wheels start to fall off.
Originally Posted by
rodney rude
I saw a VA crew come out of the aerobridge recently - F/O looked immaculate - hat on, jacket done up, tie done up. The other guy - I assume captain - but he had no jacket, no wings, no tie, no epaulettes, no hat, just a withe shirt and a nav bag. Great attitude mate. F/O looked like a keen young guy who I would trust. But hey, he's just a bus driver isn't he Das.
Are you even a pilot? Who doesn't know that de identifying is standard practice when paxxing? Love the irony of you lecturing me about perception when you clearly don't have the first clue of what you're even looking at.
10 bucks says this bloke asks the pax if they want a signed copy of his book when he takes crew rest.