QF mandates Vaccine
it has taken the threat of some type of sanction to GET to that level of vaccination
Almost certainly true- but it achieves the goal, so it's fine by me.
I reckon we have got to that level with the vast majority of people volunteering. The threats have arisen out of fear, not because of concern for the welfare of people. Companies fear far more that someone will sue them, than for your health.
Supermarkets are the same, covid can shut down a whole store for cleaning, the cost can be ridiculous. The cost of litigation is there as well, but they deal with that daily anyway, you should see how much grapes cost the supermarket industry yearly, makes me wonder why they bother to stock them.
The only fear I see is glaring out of the anti-vaxx sentiments, fear of getting the jab because etc etc, fear of mandates because etc etc... just an endless rant of fear mongering.
The only fear I see is glaring out of the anti-vaxx sentiments, fear of getting the jab because etc etc, fear of mandates because etc etc... just an endless rant of fear mongering.
I am truly amazed how very little Australians actually value their freedom. In fact it would actually seem that don't want it.
No more unvaxxed travellers allowed to enter the NT.
Every where you look it’s blindingly obvious that refusing to get vaxxed will curtail your freedoms. You want freedom, get vaccinated. Get on board or stay at home complaining. Easy.
Remember 90% of those that end up in hospital with COVID aren’t vaccinated.
Do you fly without a seatbelt or harness? Same analogy with vaccination. It will prevent severe illness or death from COVID in most cases except if you have significant comorbidities and, even more importantly, far less chance of passing it on.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-...tory/100636884
Australian Open players are now required to be vaccinated.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-...ated/100636586
Not much scope left for the belligerent few whilst the vast majority get on with life. Grow up and get on with it ffs.
Every where you look it’s blindingly obvious that refusing to get vaxxed will curtail your freedoms. You want freedom, get vaccinated. Get on board or stay at home complaining. Easy.
Remember 90% of those that end up in hospital with COVID aren’t vaccinated.
Do you fly without a seatbelt or harness? Same analogy with vaccination. It will prevent severe illness or death from COVID in most cases except if you have significant comorbidities and, even more importantly, far less chance of passing it on.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-...tory/100636884
Australian Open players are now required to be vaccinated.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-...ated/100636586
Not much scope left for the belligerent few whilst the vast majority get on with life. Grow up and get on with it ffs.
There are different types of freedom. Aussies value the freedom to not get shot above the freedom to own a gun, and freedom to live in a pandemic free country above freedom to not do what's necessary to achieve that.
Honestly moving around Australia is reminiscent of the cold war in Europe.
But if you can't travel without restriction within a country you are a citizen of you are not free. And the country has never been free of covid. It has always been there. Given most people who want to be vaccinated now are what is going on? Why do we need border checkpoints and reporting a whole bunch of personal data to Police just to move about within your own country.
Honestly moving around Australia is reminiscent of the cold war in Europe.
Honestly moving around Australia is reminiscent of the cold war in Europe.
This always just degenerates into stupid after a while, why I removed the last comment. But I have to say seriously, what is 'free'. You have never been free to travel without restriction to many parts of Australia. The only existing extra restrictions are those requiring a quarantine or proof of no virus. This is no different to if you move livestock/pets to certain regions, for the same reasons. You also have restrictions on what you bring with you like grapes, or other fruit or nuts to other parts. Therefore you are not 'free' to go where you want under any circumstance, just because there is a requirement on your travel does not take away a freedom. When 'checkpoint charlie' shows up with military posted saying you cross you die, then lets talk about freedoms, otherwise you just sound like children whinging about a toy being taken away.
Drug smugglers would have a field day under governments run by the antis, 'you can't stop me muh freedom'. One just has to look at Texas at the moment, they are so anti anything now, they don't know up from down and thousands have died as a result, are they any more free than me, hell no, just confused as heck. I'd much rather live in locked down Melbourne than what's going on over there with such 'freedoms', and that's being serious.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewals...h=7daed14f5e45
Drug smugglers would have a field day under governments run by the antis, 'you can't stop me muh freedom'. One just has to look at Texas at the moment, they are so anti anything now, they don't know up from down and thousands have died as a result, are they any more free than me, hell no, just confused as heck. I'd much rather live in locked down Melbourne than what's going on over there with such 'freedoms', and that's being serious.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewals...h=7daed14f5e45
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Most Australians are free to apply for a gun licence and buy a gun. The only thing stopping you is a criminal record or the inability to pass a simple test.
And no, if we were going to put the “freedom to live in a pandemic free country above freedom to not do what's necessary to achieve that” then the government would mandate the vaccine.
It really comes down to this: why hasn’t the Federal Government mandated the vaccine for citizens?
Sounds like it would be a vote winner! Because, after all, we value the “freedom to live in a pandemic free country above freedom to not do what's necessary to achieve that”.
As we’ve seen in Europe recently getting just 80% of adults vaccinated with no further measures isn’t really enough to contain the effects of the virus, we need over 90% and some restrictions on the unvaccinated to be truly effective.
The Federal government also won’t touch mandates because two of their Senators (Rennick and Antic) are ideologically opposed and One Nation also is opposed, and they have threatened to vote against the government in the Senate and then the LNP won’t have a majority.
What would be the percentage of people who don't want the vaccine? 0.1 % - 1 %? It is so insignificant. Let them live their lives. With over 80% double vaccinated and that number is rising, let the small percentage of people who don't want to be vaccinated stay that way without impeding their freedoms.
What would be the percentage of people who don't want the vaccine? 0.1 % - 1 %? It is so insignificant. Let them live their lives. With over 80% double vaccinated and that number is rising, let the small percentage of people who don't want to be vaccinated stay that way without impeding their freedoms.
Easy answer, vaccinate them all and reduce these instances significantly.
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I wont go into too much detail, but some businesses are already circumventing that with vaccinated staff and using cctv. If your company has the processes you can avoid the shut downs. One such establishment I know recently tested it, a staff member worked while positive, they tracked their movement using cameras and, sent out notifications to affected staff and stayed operating the whole time.
Essentially though in this brave new world of hours, some previous boundaries and grey areas will/are being tested. With such a large majority of the population now double Vaxed, any dissent may very well be brushed aside.
For the greater good of course!
It was only used if a staff member was suspected of something, it's mostly for litigation and customer theft, no one actually watches them, they just record all the time. But the same cameras can be used to track interactions between a covid positive staff member, other staff or customers, so its no overreach. I'd say most airports would have CCTV operating especially on RPT ramps and such, just matter of whether they want to share the footage with companies, I know it has been used by companies to check on staff before. Big brother has been watching you for a long time now in almost every industry. Any time you enter a pub, club, supermarket, petrol station and 99% of shops you should smile for the camera. Plus now you can almost guarantee at least one house in your street to have a camera pointing out to the street.
PS if you are going to retort with this being something new and dangerous, its been this way for 20+ years. Just the technology has improved greatly. The big brother arguments flew the coop pre-2000s.
PS if you are going to retort with this being something new and dangerous, its been this way for 20+ years. Just the technology has improved greatly. The big brother arguments flew the coop pre-2000s.