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REX to transition to ATRs, start domestic jet ops

Old 1st Sep 2023, 23:56
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Might have something to do with JQís improved OTP and reliability. Folks who were voting with their feet 12 months ago are returning to JQ as they have more flights during the day to choose from and the brand new NEO LRs are much more attractive than clapped out 73s.
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Old 2nd Sep 2023, 00:32
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I donít think people care if itís a NEO or an old 737. The passenger they are targeting likely wouldnít even know what they are flying on, nor would they care. Itís all about price.

Rex would be wise to introduce a hand baggage only fare, like Virgin did. Melbourne to Sydney is heavily skewed carry on.
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Old 2nd Sep 2023, 01:29
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I've partaken of a bit of travel lately. If Virgin or Qantas are the same price as REX or even a few bucks more, I'm going with VA or QF. I've got a credit card that gets me in to the Virgin lounge, I've got a few passes floating around for QF. Rarely are Jetstar cheaper than a VA flight if you're flexible with flight times. REX fares appear random, it's like they set prices randomly not via an algorithm, and Jetstar's algorithm looks weird when some of their flights cost more than a QF. Either way, the pair of them are weird.
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Old 2nd Sep 2023, 02:12
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
I don’t think people care if it’s a NEO or an old 737. The passenger they are targeting likely wouldn’t even know what they are flying on, nor would they care. It’s all about price.

Rex would be wise to introduce a hand baggage only fare, like Virgin did. Melbourne to Sydney is heavily skewed carry on.
I don't think that would be on the cards, as Rex is marketing the added extras like bags included and tea/coffee and a snack included.

The problem that Rex has always had is marketing, full stop... the product is great, just they have always sucked at letting people know they exist. That's the problem when you see things like crew and advertising as waste of money.

And yes, sitting down the back of a 737 is the same for a passenger in virtually any of them, just some of the older ones are looking a bit ratty at the moment.
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Old 2nd Sep 2023, 02:38
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Once the 777s arrive and they start hitting LAX and DOH they should become a bit more well known.

When is that starting again?
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Old 2nd Sep 2023, 03:17
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
Once the 777s arrive and they start hitting LAX and DOH they should become a bit more well known.

When is that starting again?
QR still think they have a chance with up to 21 extra flights weekly
If there is zero chance of extra flights, talks will heat up again

QR are also in talks with VA much along the same lines
Either way one of these 2 will get WBs if things don't go QRs way
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Either way one of these 2 will get WBs if things don't go QRs way
soooo wrong on both accounts
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Old 3rd Sep 2023, 01:58
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Rex cannot fly internationally as they’re majority foreign owned, so even if Qatar bought them they’re not flying to Doha.
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Old 3rd Sep 2023, 03:45
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A lot of negative cock heads in here.
nearly every flight Iíve done has had good loads lately.
spin it how you want ( no QF VA JQ bias in here ! ) but people livelihoods depend on this operation and so far it looks ok.

oh and the pax all love flying Rex, the crew are fantastic the service and free check in bags appreciated. They donít know or care itís not a brand spanking new max.
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Old 3rd Sep 2023, 04:38
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so far it looks ok
Except on paper, and at the bank.
free check in bags
They're not free. They're included. You are paying for them. Just the same as you are paying for them in any fare with any carrier that has checked luggage included in that fare. The difference I guess is that Rex don't give you an option to not pay for them and thus get a cheaper fare.
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Old 3rd Sep 2023, 07:07
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Except on paper, and at the bank.

They're not free. They're included. You are paying for them. Just the same as you are paying for them in any fare with any carrier that has checked luggage included in that fare. The difference I guess is that Rex don't give you an option to not pay for them and thus get a cheaper fare.
I see that you are very well 'conditioned' by the corporate sales department to accept this as normal when beyond 20 years ago it was always 'included'. In any case the airlines dont carry much freight on domestic routes so the hold will just be empty space and the fuel savings maybe a few kilograms over a sector where no one has 'paid' for luggage space.
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Old 3rd Sep 2023, 07:44
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Originally Posted by ACMS
A lot of negative cock heads in here.
nearly every flight Iíve done has had good loads lately.
spin it how you want ( no QF VA JQ bias in here ! ) but people livelihoods depend on this operation and so far it looks ok.

oh and the pax all love flying Rex, the crew are fantastic the service and free check in bags appreciated. They donít know or care itís not a brand spanking new max.
Yeah livelihoods of working to the dollar of jobkeeper during covid, no more. 'Livelihood' of working minimum wage as a Saab FO. 9 YEARS, 150k loan at 10% if you're a cadet.

If the company fell over tomorrow the vacuum would be filled by some other entity, and hopefully with better conditions for all the staff and pax. Especially the regional pax.

Rex pilots are leaving in droves as they're finally figuring out their worth.
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Yeah livelihoods of working to the dollar of jobkeeper during covid, no more. 'Livelihood' of working minimum wage as a Saab FO. 9 YEARS, 150k loan at 10% if you're a cadet.

If the company fell over tomorrow the vacuum would be filled by some other entity, and hopefully with better conditions for all the staff and pax. Especially the regional pax.

Rex pilots are leaving in droves as they're finally figuring out their worth.
Was the last EBA not endorsed by well over 80% of pilots?
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Old 3rd Sep 2023, 08:36
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Was the last EBA not endorsed by well over 80% of pilots?
More likely so that those leaving could lock in back pay and increases before the exodus. Rex needs to up its pay by 50% to offset the crew bleed at the moment. I've heard a number of the reliable old hands will be retiring over the next 24 months, many pushed over the edge by workload and out of base duties. There cant be much of an experience base after they leave. The SAAB operation will be all but dead unless they do something drastic right now.
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Old 3rd Sep 2023, 10:15
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Originally Posted by ACMS
A lot of negative cock heads in here.
nearly every flight Iíve done has had good loads lately.
spin it how you want ( no QF VA JQ bias in here ! ) but people livelihoods depend on this operation and so far it looks ok.

oh and the pax all love flying Rex, the crew are fantastic the service and free check in bags appreciated. They donít know or care itís not a brand spanking new max.
Before you go lecturing the rest of us on livelihoods, I will direct you to Project Mother, where Sharp was salivating at the idea of taking advantage of a workforce going through administration. So forgive me for not jumping for joy at everything Rex, an organisation that was gleefully trying to pay jet pilots 10% lower than the cheapest NB pilots in the country.

Going through that presentation 3 years after the first thought bubble - well it makes for interesting reading.




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Old 3rd Sep 2023, 10:24
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Was the last EBA not endorsed by well over 80% of pilots?
over 100 pilots have left since it was signed. A third of the group, mostly from the LHS. Thats a huge drain. They wanted to ensure they were paid their backpay as it was written thay those who stay get it paid every year for 3 years, if you leave it's paid outright.
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Old 3rd Sep 2023, 12:23
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And that folks is the problem".."…………
if the Rex eba was voted up 80% just so those that leave can get back pay, well then I for one condemn those that voted for it for that reason. Talk about self interest……..I hope they went overseas because if they’re now at QF, VA, JQ or Bonza and vote like that again, then what hope do we have as an industry. For those of you who have only been here for less than 10 years or so, let me tell you that the industrial conditions at the moment favouring the pilots are the best it’s been in 30 years. I say again THIRTY YEARS. If we can’t take advantage of that then we’re all fuc#ed………….
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Old 4th Sep 2023, 03:32
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Rex cannot fly internationally as theyíre majority foreign owned, so even if Qatar bought them theyíre not flying to Doha.
Foreign owned just like VA and Bain no? There are ways around it.
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Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink
Before you go lecturing the rest of us on livelihoods, I will direct you to Project Mother, where Sharp was salivating at the idea of taking advantage of a workforce going through administration. So forgive me for not jumping for joy at everything Rex, an organisation that was gleefully trying to pay jet pilots 10% lower than the cheapest NB pilots in the country.

Going through that presentation 3 years after the first thought bubble - well it makes for interesting reading.



Project Mother was built on opinion, not reality. It was purely what Rex wanted to hear, and what Rex wanted to eventuate, completely disregarding the reality of the situation.

The statement in regards to Virgin exiting the process with high costs and low pax numbers is bizarre and indicates they have a very bare understanding on how the administration process works.

Rex wanted to rip accumulated entitlements from flight crew quite proudly, he said it with a smile at many press conferences, and itís mentioned in many press releases, and mentioned in the above presentation. Disgraceful organisation that has no place in our industry.
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Before you go lecturing the rest of us on livelihoods, I will direct you to Project Mother, where Sharp was salivating at the idea of taking advantage of a workforce going through administration. So forgive me for not jumping for joy at everything Rex, an organisation that was gleefully trying to pay jet pilots 10% lower than the cheapest NB pilots in the country.
Exactly this, well said!

Rex had no hesitation in sinking the boot into Virgin and itís staff when they were on the ropes hoping to then scoop up a whole lot of unemployed and desperate staff rewriting a new low standard for jet pilots in this country letting a very few megalomaniac management and check pilots live out their dreams of finally being bigger and better than Virgin, Qantas or Jetstar.

Rex arenít the saviours of aviation in Australia and god help us (passengers and staff alike) should they realise their plans of becoming a major player.
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