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Old 17th Sep 2023, 07:30
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The Singaporeans could just get dual citizenship, problem solved

"market dynamics are much unknown in a few years"

When things look their worst is the time to plan to invest and grow
A large investment from QR could see ZL or VA rapidly expand especially to the ME in their own colours with QR supplied metal
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Old 17th Sep 2023, 08:07
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Replacing the Saabs…haha been hearing that one for almost 20 years…
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Old 17th Sep 2023, 08:45
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The day I see a Rex 777 in Doha is the same day I’ll ask my doc to get my head checked.
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Old 17th Sep 2023, 10:16
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Originally Posted by Deano969
The Singaporeans could just get dual citizenship, problem solved

"market dynamics are much unknown in a few years"

When things look their worst is the time to plan to invest and grow
A large investment from QR could see ZL or VA rapidly expand especially to the ME in their own colours with QR supplied metal
once the final cash payments are through its majority HK owned. couple that with Singaporean ownership, youre looking at a very small minority of Australian owned shares.
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Old 17th Sep 2023, 14:51
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Originally Posted by Deano969
The Singaporeans could just get dual citizenship, problem solved

"market dynamics are much unknown in a few years"

When things look their worst is the time to plan to invest and grow
A large investment from QR could see ZL or VA rapidly expand especially to the ME in their own colours with QR supplied metal
Singapore doesn't allow dual citizenship mate
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 08:24
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-...m_content=link
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 08:30
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it's not like they have enough serviceable aircraft for the pilots to fly. Deano where you at? Profits soon?
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 08:38
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They are laughable.
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 11:40
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They are laughable.
Indeed- they should have followed best practice and scheduled flights they wouldn't have been able to operate...
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 19:02
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To be fair QF JQ and VA will be reducing flights now or shortly as well as demand has come off the boil and we know there is a pilot shortage

• Sydney-Albury Bonza-MCY and OOL on 737s would have taken away some traffic here
• Sydney-Coffs Harbour Launched against QF and were getting fair loads could easily drop 1 daily
• Sydney-Griffith-Narrandera tagged QF also on Griffith route
• Sydney-Orange Likely result of QF seat dumping on marginal route
• Sydney-Parkes Likely was over serviced anyway
• Sydney-Port Macquarie Launched against QF and were getting fair loads could easily drop 1 daily plus Bonza 3 weekly to MEL would have some impact
• Sydney-Armidale Needed to be more than once daily or dropped anyway

Moving forward
As I said earlier, REX is transitioning from regional only to more of a mainline carrier with a regional feed and the above reductions somewhat reflect this
Even SAABs are overkill on many REX regional routes and would be better served by the likes of Pelican
That said, even Pelican could not make Bathurst work with a 19 seat bird
Likely to see Q400s enter the fleet over the next few years replacing SAABs and less frequencies and other destinations handed to Pelican, pity they don't do some kind of deal with Pelican though as they have ties with VA
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 22:38
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Clearly Rex are comfortable with the ownership of people (I believe that is called slavery), but not the ownership of problems.
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 23:16
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Clearly Rex are comfortable with the ownership of people (I believe that is called slavery).
What the hell are you talking about??
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 23:43
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What the hell are you talking about??
Pillage: the action of pillaging a place or property, especially in war.

Rex seem to think they own their pilots like they are some sort of commodity.
They forget supply and demand goes both ways.
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 00:30
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It’s quite telling that even sign on bonuses and advertising for pilots overseas through crewing companies (Rishworth) isn’t enough to keep the show on the road.
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 02:05
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
Pillage: the action of pillaging a place or property, especially in war.

Rex seem to think they own their pilots like they are some sort of commodity.
They forget supply and demand goes both ways.
OK, but they don't own them- their problem is people leaving. That's not how slavery works...
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 05:45
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Originally Posted by Deano969
To be fair QF JQ and VA will be reducing flights now or shortly as well as demand has come off the boil and we know there is a pilot shortage

• Sydney-Albury Bonza-MCY and OOL on 737s would have taken away some traffic here
• Sydney-Coffs Harbour Launched against QF and were getting fair loads could easily drop 1 daily
• Sydney-Griffith-Narrandera tagged QF also on Griffith route
• Sydney-Orange Likely result of QF seat dumping on marginal route
• Sydney-Parkes Likely was over serviced anyway
• Sydney-Port Macquarie Launched against QF and were getting fair loads could easily drop 1 daily plus Bonza 3 weekly to MEL would have some impact
• Sydney-Armidale Needed to be more than once daily or dropped anyway

Moving forward
As I said earlier, REX is transitioning from regional only to more of a mainline carrier with a regional feed and the above reductions somewhat reflect this
Even SAABs are overkill on many REX regional routes and would be better served by the likes of Pelican
That said, even Pelican could not make Bathurst work with a 19 seat bird
Likely to see Q400s enter the fleet over the next few years replacing SAABs and less frequencies and other destinations handed to Pelican, pity they don't do some kind of deal with Pelican though as they have ties with VA
Yep, Q400 is the future - not, lots of upbeat announcements about new business yet the last fleet addition was a year ago and the new arrival is 6 months late. Meanwhile lots of SAABs doing nothing, and while new 737s arrive, the original fleet is coming off lease and at least one is unlikely to stay. Rex isnt even treading water.
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 06:26
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So the 33 seater 340 is overkill on many routes and the solution is to go to a 70+ seater. And the plan for the transition to mainline with regional feed is to eviscerate regional. Sounds like it's all coming together nicely.

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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 23:20
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Originally Posted by markis10
... , the original fleet is coming off lease and at least one is unlikely to stay. ...
Are you saying that Rex only signed three year leases for the first tranche of their jet fleet?
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 23:47
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So the 33 seater 340 is overkill on many routes and the solution is to go to a 70+ seater. And the plan for the transition to mainline with regional feed is to eviscerate regional. Sounds like it's all coming together nicely.
The way Rex are going they will not have a regional airline in the areas it counts for serious on carriage, that is South Australia, Victoria and New South Wales. Their focus on propping up these marginal subsidized routes in Queensland and Western Australia is undoing the airline at it's seams. I say marginal, as I assume the tenders were done based on being profitable when the whole fleet is utilized and you have mass economy of scale with the SAAB. This is the same trap the regionals killed themselves with in the USA, locking into 'subsidized' on carriage from the majors, which when costs increased over time they didn't get out of the situation and operated at a loss even when full.

A few Q400s vying against the encumbent QLink aircraft will not get sufficient patronage, and the operational cost will be well above QLink for the smaller fleet.

From an outside perspective Rex has lost the plot, completely. Even to the point they have still not even tried to engage the pilot group to retain numbers, which is mind blowing to think they are just sitting on their hands trying to recruit themselves out of this, when there are no experienced pilots to recruit. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but it almost seems they will just sit back and take it while they get 'pillaged' to death.
OK, but they don't own them- their problem is people leaving. That's not how slavery works...
The point was that Rex management 'think' they own the pilots, like slaves, however somehow the government just lets them walk away and get employed elsewhere, gotta tighten those loopholes so the slaves can be chained to the yoke...
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Old 24th Sep 2023, 00:09
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Rex have not engaged the pilot group

Rex are our own worst enemy. Stop blaming QF for our problems!! Just compete. Ask the hard questions. Why are pilots leaving. Give us a reason to stay. Give us some career progression.

Out last EBA negotiations ended with PIA. Why are they so combative??

I have an active EOI to move across to the 73 operation. I’m a Saab Captain and have been jumped for a 73 slot by FOUR CPL holding FO’s….. Nice guys, but give me a break. Rewarding guys for not being able to get their subjects competed, WTF…..

Ask me again why are guys looking elsewhere???

ITS NOT THAT HARD!!!!!
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