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Old 6th Sep 2023, 11:02
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I think it just shows the absolute lack of marketing at play here, tomorrow you can get $120 fares all day, yet QF is asking $500+ after lunch, meaning you could be paying over $1000 for a Sydney to Melbourne return, economy, when Rex will only charge you $240 return. Now that means either Sydney siders are incredibly stupid, or they have no idea how much they are being ripped off, ie, they have no idea Rex is that much cheaper. And, to be honest, if you can afford to be paying $1000 return on Sydney - Melbourne - Sydney, then there is definitely no cost of living emergency...
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Old 6th Sep 2023, 11:06
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You had me at sydney-siders being incredibly stupid.
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Old 6th Sep 2023, 12:42
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
I tried to book on the later flight, which is the commuter one, and it was booked out...
Anyone guess as to why it looked booked out – ZL161 flew with over 40 empty seats, ZL171 had just shy of 70 empty seats. Rex ended up carrying a handful less than 1,120 pax between SYD-MEL for the day spread over 14 flights.



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… Now that means either Sydney siders are incredibly stupid, or they have no idea how much they are being ripped off, ie, they have no idea Rex is that much cheaper ...
Or they’ve planned ahead and have already got themselves a cheap QF seat or they are wanting to travel at a time that falls into that 5-6 hour chasm between Rex’s last morning flight and their first afternoon/evening service.
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Old 6th Sep 2023, 22:34
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Originally Posted by MickG0105
Anyone guess as to why it looked booked out – ZL161 flew with over 40 empty seats, ZL171 had just shy of 70 empty seats. Rex ended up carrying a handful less than 1,120 pax between SYD-MEL for the day spread over 14 flights.




Or they’ve planned ahead and have already got themselves a cheap QF seat or they are wanting to travel at a time that falls into that 5-6 hour chasm between Rex’s last morning flight and their first afternoon/evening service.
Yeah, I doubt that it jumped suddenly from $150 odd a seat to $500+. A lot of passengers have booked tickets well in excess of the Rex price, even if they didn't get to $500. To me that shows a very large number of punters are not shopping around, or are fooled that the loyalty programs might save them money. And to restate, if they are willing to pay an extra $400 to save 3 hours then there is definitely no cost of living problem here....
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Old 6th Sep 2023, 23:12
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
Yeah, I doubt that it jumped suddenly from $150 odd a seat to $500+. A lot of passengers have booked tickets well in excess of the Rex price, even if they didn't get to $500. To me that shows a very large number of punters are not shopping around, or are fooled that the loyalty programs might save them money. And to restate, if they are willing to pay an extra $400 to save 3 hours then there is definitely no cost of living problem here....
Have a walk in a qantas terminal and guess the median age. The cost of living emergency affects a certain age group more than others. Those 60+ increased their wealth in the last 12 months while the 20 to 35s are going backwards.

This paints an interesting picture.
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Old 6th Sep 2023, 23:55
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
<snip> To me that shows a very large number of punters are not shopping around, or are fooled that the loyalty programs might save them money. And to restate, if they are willing to pay an extra $400 to save 3 hours then there is definitely no cost of living problem here....
There are lots (and lots) of public sector people (public ‘servants’, members of parliament advisors, pollies etc) doing lots (and lots) of air travel, for whom the cost of air fares (and airline lounge membership) is irrelevant. It’s paid for by the taxpayer.
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Old 7th Sep 2023, 00:15
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
There are lots (and lots) of public sector people (public ‘servants’, members of parliament advisors, pollies etc) doing lots (and lots) of air travel, for whom the cost of air fares (and airline lounge membership) is irrelevant. It’s paid for by the taxpayer.
That's been an issue for a long time as well, given that the pollies/public servants of the major parties will only travel with QF mainline group and if there's no QF flight they charter a private jet, even if the destination is served by another airline. Tax dollars up to good use....

I've run a lot of flights to regional centers where well known smaller party members are down the back and the major party members fly in on the same direct route via private charter or RAAF jet. There were a few major party members who went out of their way to only use regional RPT instead of charters, but only a few, and they made sure everyone around them knew they were supporting the 'local' airline.

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Old 7th Sep 2023, 00:43
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Really for the Qantas thread, but ordinary members of the public have become pretty much a sideshow for Qantas. Ordinary members of the public are to Qantas like GA is for the leased Commonwealth airports: An irritating legacy issue getting in the way of profits. (However, it must be acknowledged that profit can be made by Qantas out of ordinary members of the public by charging them in advance for services not provided (and of course from government handouts paid for by the public), and by airport lessees out of GA infrastructure by destroying it. Neat tricks!)
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
Yeah, I doubt that it jumped suddenly from $150 odd a seat to $500+. A lot of passengers have booked tickets well in excess of the Rex price, even if they didn't get to $500. To me that shows a very large number of punters are not shopping around, or are fooled that the loyalty programs might save them money. And to restate, if they are willing to pay an extra $400 to save 3 hours then there is definitely no cost of living problem here....
You haven't looked very hard. Unless you want to travel same/next day, there are heaps of $150 QF fares SYD/MEL, and at peak times too, quite often.
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Originally Posted by Xhorst
You haven't looked very hard. Unless you want to travel same/next day, there are heaps of $150 QF fares SYD/MEL, and at peak times too, quite often.
There's no actual $150 fares for QF until mid next week, and then they are suspiciously at only the exact same departure time as the Rex flights. The tab says there is some cheap fares earlier but when you click on the date its all a minimum of $200, even if you use your FF points you still have to pay half a Rex fare. The next few days are $500 except a few very late departures. There's a couple of J* $400 fares.
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Old 10th Sep 2023, 04:14
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Loads on the 737 were all pretty much full yesterday out of Melbourne
Fairly quick turn around from last week, perhaps Mick can confirm this or find a flight with a sub 50% load anywhere on the jet network
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You're welcome.


Rex moved just shy of 1,080 pax between Sydney and Melbourne yesterday over 8 flights; essentially full loads out of Melbourne, averaging 103 pax per flight going the other way.
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Originally Posted by MickG0105


You're welcome.


Rex moved just shy of 1,080 pax between Sydney and Melbourne yesterday over 8 flights; essentially full loads out of Melbourne, averaging 103 pax per flight going the other way.
Given Sydney Swans played a final in Melbourne on Saturday, it would astonishing if just about every seat on MEL-SYD was not full on all airlines yesterday.
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Old 11th Sep 2023, 03:24
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Originally Posted by MickG0105


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Rex moved just shy of 1,080 pax between Sydney and Melbourne yesterday over 8 flights; essentially full loads out of Melbourne, averaging 103 pax per flight going the other way.
From where is this seat map sourced?
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Old 11th Sep 2023, 04:01
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Originally Posted by MickG0105
Anyone guess as to why it looked booked out – ZL161 flew with over 40 empty seats, ZL171 had just shy of 70 empty seats. Rex ended up carrying a handful less than 1,120 pax between SYD-MEL for the day spread over 14 flights.




Or they’ve planned ahead and have already got themselves a cheap QF seat or they are wanting to travel at a time that falls into that 5-6 hour chasm between Rex’s last morning flight and their first afternoon/evening service.
I Reckon you may have something there Mick. Economies of scale meets available slots maybe?
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Old 11th Sep 2023, 07:54
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Originally Posted by Chris2303
From where is this seat map sourced?
expertflyer.com
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Old 11th Sep 2023, 08:05
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Even the interstate trains get booked out during finals season for the right match combos, if you are not full on those days your marketing is worse than trains with no marketing....
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Old 11th Sep 2023, 09:18
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Originally Posted by MickG0105
Thank you.

Please be aware that the only seat map showing the actual load is the one that is produced for despatch. Any other map is showing only those pax who have prebooked their seats.
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Old 11th Sep 2023, 09:38
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Originally Posted by Chris2303
Thank you.

Please be aware that the only seat map showing the actual load is the one that is produced for despatch. Any other map is showing only those pax who have prebooked their seats.
Those maps have routinely proven to be very accurate once the flight has been closed out in the relevant GDS. You can see the transition from pre-booked only to allocated seats from pre- to post-close out.
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Old 16th Sep 2023, 06:33
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Someone told me this week the next 737 will be named after John Sharp including the rego?

Please tell me that was just a joke?
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