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Old 21st Aug 2023, 02:00
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The first six frames Rex got were at Covid rates and PBH agreements, ...
Are you sure the initial fleet is on a power-by-the-hour deal? Any details?

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... And while I'm on a rant - why bother with the Antarctica stuff? ...

Expect more of the same this week and next to distract from the results.
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Old 21st Aug 2023, 02:07
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JB-P used to call it 'feeding the chooks'.
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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 09:57
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Originally Posted by MickG0105
Are you sure the initial fleet is on a power-by-the-hour deal? Any details?


https://youtu.be/WDIo5kCuBSE

Expect more of the same this week and next to distract from the results.
The key dangling has started.

I disagree with the way they write these press releases, especially the comments around cancellations. Saying they are ‘spectacular’ compared to the opposition as they cancelled xx less flights vs them, is not a valid point when you have a few dozen aircraft operational while the others have a few hundred each. Also comparing your Saab operational performance against Virgin’s A320/F100 operation is just plain weird.

Plenty more key dangling to come as we now enter the golden quarter. Then the dangling stops. Then it starts up again.

Rex Tops Reliability Whilst Rivals Bomb
Monday, August 21, 2023
Rex Airlines has again been confirmed as Australia’s most reliable airline for the month of July, leading the table by a wide margin, according to the official publication by the Bureau of Infrastructure and Transport Research Economics (BITRE).



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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 11:19
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
The key dangling has started.

I disagree with the way they write these press releases, especially the comments around cancellations. Saying they are ‘spectacular’ compared to the opposition as they cancelled xx less flights vs them, is not a valid point when you have a few dozen aircraft operational while the others have a few hundred each. Also comparing your Saab operational performance against Virgin’s A320/F100 operation is just plain weird.

Plenty more key dangling to come as we now enter the golden quarter. Then the dangling stops. Then it starts up again.

Rex Tops Reliability Whilst Rivals Bomb
Monday, August 21, 2023
Rex Airlines has again been confirmed as Australia’s most reliable airline for the month of July, leading the table by a wide margin, according to the official publication by the Bureau of Infrastructure and Transport Research Economics (BITRE).
Typical Rex PR clap trap. The cancellation rate totally ignores passenger impact - there's a marked difference between having your flight cancelled and being moved onto a different flight departing 30 - 60 minutes later versus having your flight cancelled when there's on average 2.5 hours between flights on the best serviced route.

In any event, ask any CEO, COO or CFO which they would prefer; 74.5 percent on time and losing money, or 71.5 percent on time and making money.

With results out next week, the old "unaudited management accounts" forecasts of milk and honey can't be far off now.
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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 19:25
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Originally Posted by MickG0105
Typical Rex PR clap trap. The cancellation rate totally ignores passenger impact - there's a marked difference between having your flight cancelled and being moved onto a different flight departing 30 - 60 minutes later versus having your flight cancelled when there's on average 2.5 hours between flights on the best serviced route.

In any event, ask any CEO, COO or CFO which they would prefer; 74.5 percent on time and losing money, or 71.5 percent on time and making money.

With results out next week, the old "unaudited management accounts" forecasts of milk and honey can't be far off now.
All fine except I've had several QF group cancellations on Sydney - Melbourne flights where the delay was over 4 hours, including with mainline. So your argument falls apart to say that having a more frequent schedule means less disruption to a passenger if a flight is cancelled. It all depends on why a flight was cancelled and if there was space available to accommodate everyone on the next or over several flights throughout the day.

Cancellation rates and OTP are very important for passengers on 'quick' day trips such as business travel or medical appointments. Even 1 hour delays can be the difference in getting things done or not, or having to book a hotel for the night.
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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 21:13
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All fine except I've had several QF group cancellations on Sydney - Melbourne flights where the delay was over 4 hours, including with mainline. So your argument falls apart to say that having a more frequent schedule means less disruption to a passenger if a flight is cancelled. It all depends on why a flight was cancelled and if there was space available to accommodate everyone on the next or over several flights throughout the day.

Cancellation rates and OTP are very important for passengers on 'quick' day trips such as business travel or medical appointments. Even 1 hour delays can be the difference in getting things done or not, or having to book a hotel for the night.
And of course, the anecdotal exception proves the rule.

The extraordinarily simple and uncontroversial maths that underpins the argument is that a cancellation on a route that has only five services a day with an average of roughly 2.6 hours between flights will likely cause a more significant disruption to passengers than a cancellation where the airline operates 30 flights a day with an average of less than 30 minutes between them.

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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 21:29
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Your screwed if it swings to 25 in Sydney in the arvo regardless of carrier and if you make make it home that night, buy a lotto ticket.

I still don’t know why they are quoting that Virgin Perth ops cancel 600% more flights vs its Saab operation.

When is results day?
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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 21:41
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Originally Posted by MickG0105
And of course, the anecdotal exception proves the rule.

The extraordinarily simple and uncontroversial maths that underpins the argument is that a cancellation on a route that has only five services a day with an average of roughly 2.6 hours between flights will likely cause a more significant disruption to passengers than a cancellation where the airline operates 30 flights a day with an average of less than 30 minutes between them.
Except that I've worked for both QF group and Rex so know how each handle cancellations, Rex was generally the better of the two.

Rex has questionable IR/staff treatment, but their operational control and recovery is very tightly run.
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
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When is results day?
For Rex, next Wednesday, 30 August.
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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 22:04
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Except that I've worked for both QF group and Rex so know how each handle cancellations, Rex was generally the better of the two.

Rex has questionable IR/staff treatment, but their operational control and recovery is very tightly run.
So when Rex cancel ZL337 BNE-SYD and their next flight is five over six hours later, how does their tightly run operational control and recovery deal with that? Teleportation?

Back in the day, not that long back in fact, Rex ran an efficient regional operation. Not any more. Their past success has been relegated to irrelevance by their current performance.

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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 03:04
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Your screwed if it swings to 25 in Sydney in the arvo regardless of carrier and if you make make it home that night, buy a lotto ticket.
Don't know why SYD never built a parallel to 25 even a short runway over the fire station for regionals
A fairly cheap fix for August winds....
During 25 ops its a ghost town south of General Holmes Drive
Actually I'd reckon you could land a Q400 or SAAB on Bravo10 or Lima if you needed the extra length !!
Too often during 25 ops the runway gets congested with regionals who need the same spacing as jets
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Don't know why SYD never built a parallel to 25 even a short runway over the fire station for regionals
A fairly cheap fix for August winds....
During 25 ops its a ghost town south of General Holmes Drive
Actually I'd reckon you could land a Q400 or SAAB on Bravo10 or Lima if you needed the extra length !!
Too often during 25 ops the runway gets congested with regionals who need the same spacing as jets
or just close 25 all together…
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or just close 25 all together…
Don't be ridiculous. Please think of the lawyers!
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Don't know why SYD never built a parallel to 25 even a short runway over the fire station for regionals
A fairly cheap fix for August winds....
During 25 ops its a ghost town south of General Holmes Drive
Actually I'd reckon you could land a Q400 or SAAB on Bravo10 or Lima if you needed the extra length !!
Too often during 25 ops the runway gets congested with regionals who need the same spacing as jets
Turboprops need way less runway occupancy than say a 737, just that the SID/STAR system is set up for follow the leader, meaning faster traffic stuck behind slower traffic are blocked. At least off the main runways at Sydney they have early turns to allow TPs to get out of the way of jets and free up space, which means the TPs can get airborne turn off runway track and let a jet depart very close behind.
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I saw on facebook that Rex will be replacing the Saab 340 with Dash 8-400. Is this true?

Also, the post on facebook where i saw the news was on the Aviation WA facebook page, so if there are changes happening with the Saab 340s...then the changes from the Saab to the Dash 8-400 may only happen in WA.
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Originally Posted by Saintly;[url=tel:11492818
11492818[/url]]I saw on facebook that Rex will be replacing the Saab 340 with Dash 8-400. Is this true?

Also, the post on facebook where i saw the news was on the Aviation WA facebook page, so if there are changes happening with the Saab 340s...then the changes from the Saab to the Dash 8-400 may only happen in WA.
there was discussion about wetleasing to cover the WA contract routes
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Originally Posted by Saintly
I saw on facebook that Rex will be replacing the Saab 340 with Dash 8-400. Is this true?

Also, the post on facebook where i saw the news was on the Aviation WA facebook page, so if there are changes happening with the Saab 340s...then the changes from the Saab to the Dash 8-400 may only happen in WA.
I believe it's to be operated by NJE which is now a part of the Rex Group. NJE has a Q400 base in ADL and now BNE so who knows, the change to Q400 may extend to other states.
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there was discussion about wetleasing to cover the WA contract routes
Yes due to no pilots. All off to Q
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Old 30th Aug 2023, 01:12
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Rex FY23 Results. A statutory profit (that is correct, profit) after tax of $14.4 million.

In a master-stroke of creative accounting they decided that NJE, a business that they paid $48.18 million for, is worth $142.673 million (that is despite them having previously valued NJE at $77.645 million back in December 2022).

​​​​​​Fernangling aside, they lost $31.7 million. Passenger revenues collapsed by over 8.5 percent in the six months to 30 June.

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Old 30th Aug 2023, 02:07
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Now considering they released monthly, unaudited, 737 profit numbers to the market for 5 months, one would assumed they would be posting a profit today, well that is what they have led the market to believe.

Misleading behaviour.
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