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Old 12th Aug 2023, 14:04
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Maybe if they had added $30k to the base salary at the last EBA there might have been less leave! If there's no one to attract I'm not sure what offering a one off payment is going to do to poach back pilots from other operators who are paid more anyway. Now each day that goes by the figure to retain pilots is increasing, probably up past $50k added to the base, can't afford it ? Well, its that or no one to fly the planes....
It's a beautiful thing to watch this company suffer for all it has done for suppressing wages.
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Old 13th Aug 2023, 03:54
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
It's a beautiful thing to watch this company suffer for all it has done for suppressing wages.
From what I've heard they haven't made a single offer to retain existing crew, who are leaving at a much higher rate than they could ever replace. Just crazy if you think that the share holders will probably ask the question "what did the board do to try to retain staff?" if the company does hit the wall. With the only answer, "oh we worked them harder to fill the gaps left, what do you mean retain anyway?".
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Old 13th Aug 2023, 04:10
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
From what I've heard they haven't made a single offer to retain existing crew, who are leaving at a much higher rate than they could ever replace. Just crazy if you think that the share holders will probably ask the question "what did the board do to try to retain staff?" if the company does hit the wall. With the only answer, "oh we worked them harder to fill the gaps left, what do you mean retain anyway?".
The 30k is also applicable to Captains in Perth, Cairns and Townsville if they stay for another 2 years.


Retaining staff has never been their business model. They told me that many many years ago when I interviewed.
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Old 13th Aug 2023, 04:27
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Well in that case they are meeting their KPI for that at least...
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Old 13th Aug 2023, 08:28
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REX would have revenue of an extra $400 on 60% @ $110 verses 80% @ $80
They would also save plenty on screening, airport passenger charges, meals, fuel

Plenty on here bagging them when they were getting good loads with cheap fares saying that it's not about bums on seats, it's about revenue
REX has been doing regional for decades with low L/Fs

BTW a quick look at QF shows a mixed bag on the triangle of reasonable loads, then full loads preceded by empty flights, obviously cancelling flights, then filling up the next one or 2
VA on the other hand just have mediocre loads outside the peak

Has the bubble burst on pent up demand ?
Not much revenue at the moment with $70 fares Syd-Mel midweek https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/793507
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Old 13th Aug 2023, 10:36
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Such a beautiful thing to watch. When they hire direct entries, upon arrival at crAPPA they tell you "they hate direct entries and get ready to fail" ya reap what you sow.

Our hearts in the cuntry, our profits (or is it loss) in Saunapore.
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Old 13th Aug 2023, 11:34
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They should be using the fleet of 73s to actively promote from within off the turboprop, give people some reason to hang around, itís great for culture and loyalty. Many American entry level jobs will give you a large jet rough start date from joining. I wonder what the panel would say if you asked them how long until you can offer me a 737 spot at a Saab interview? God help the poor soul.

10 years on a Saab, plus an organ, might get you a look in.
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Old 13th Aug 2023, 13:39
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They should be using the fleet of 73s to actively promote from within off the turboprop, give people some reason to hang around, itís great for culture and loyalty. Many American entry level jobs will give you a large jet rough start date from joining. I wonder what the panel would say if you asked them how long until you can offer me a 737 spot at a Saab interview? God help the poor soul.

10 years on a Saab, plus an organ, might get you a look in.
Wouldn't cost them a thing ! A bit of succession planning, now there's a thought ! No doubt if the whole thing goes down the tube beetroot head will blame those pesky pilots (of which he used to be one I'm pretty certain).
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
They should be using the fleet of 73s to actively promote from within off the turboprop, give people some reason to hang around, itís great for culture and loyalty. Many American entry level jobs will give you a large jet rough start date from joining. I wonder what the panel would say if you asked them how long until you can offer me a 737 spot at a Saab interview? God help the poor soul.

10 years on a Saab, plus an organ, might get you a look in.
They had expressions of interest, only 10% applied internally and the majority were turned down to save the numbers on the saab fleet. They are actively allowing movement even to NJE now bit too little too late. Apparently the best way to get a 73 spot is put a resignation in. The fleet manager calls you within a few hours.
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Old 13th Aug 2023, 23:20
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Wow, just like a Foxtel subscription. They completely ignore you and treat you like dirt, but ring and ask to cancel, you are their best friend.
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Promotion from within is one good pilot retention strategy that can offset a lower pay scale...at least in the short term. Anyone competent on a Saab won't have a problem with a B737, and by now the Training Departmnent surely know who is competent, and who is not?
Longer term pilot retention will depend very much on which way the market heads over the next few years. It would only take a major recession in the USA to see a sudden rise in 'loyalty' (for want of a better word) at home. OTOH, if the USA continues to go gangbusters, our airlines will be busy importing and training third country nationals who see Australia as one step up the aviation food-chain from where they are now. That will cost Rex heaps more than any internal promotion policy.
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Promotion from within is one good pilot retention strategy that can offset a lower pay scale...at least in the short term. Anyone competent on a Saab won't have a problem with a B737, and by now the Training Departmnent surely know who is competent, and who is not?
Longer term pilot retention will depend very much on which way the market heads over the next few years. It would only take a major recession in the USA to see a sudden rise in 'loyalty' (for want of a better word) at home. OTOH, if the USA continues to go gangbusters, our airlines will be busy importing and training third country nationals who see Australia as one step up the aviation food-chain from where they are now. That will cost Rex heaps more than any internal promotion policy.
No one is going to hang around for an opportunity that they can get straight away somewhere else, progression is a carrot when there is little movement. I'm pretty sure alot leaving would be under the understanding that they would progress to the jet at some point, given that they have offered it to some. People are leaving due to better pay and better treatment, there's no confusing that. The simple fact is right now Rex needs to stump up a better long term offer, everyone will see through an 'extra' bonus that's not added to the base. They need to up the base salary to prove they are interested in having pilots for some tenure, that's the new world airlines are living in. Make the job pay well and offer stable lifestyle and you will have pilots.

The funny thing is that every time Rex seems to be getting somewhere, they nobble themselves with this stupid idea of letting staff flow control their business. The company could have been making twice the profits they have, had they kept a reliable workforce number that provided reliable services. BUT, every time they start getting on a roll, their archaic remuneration policy bites them on the arse and they lose their main competitive edge, reliability and frequency. Without that the passengers flock back to the other operators and Rex has to build up it's image again...and again... So they start self fulfilling their own demise because the bread and butter routes in SE Aus start wanting QF or someone else to come and offer them better service, while the accountants at the top focus on some mildly profitable regulated route in BF nowhere!
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 05:22
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
The 30k is also applicable to Captains in Perth, Cairns and Townsville if they stay for another 2 years.


Retaining staff has never been their business model. They told me that many many years ago when I interviewed.
Exactly. There are strings attached to that offer. the title bond says it all. Somewhat narrow in the band of potential candidates I would imagine as well?

Speaking of the EBA, is it true that one of the conditions were that if a pilot is demoted, they now revert to their lower salary after 8 weeks rather than from Check to line!?
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 06:24
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Relevant question. Never seen so many demoted people. Ever.
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 08:09
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Relevant question. Never seen so many demoted people. Ever.
Uh Oh!
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 08:54
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
The 30k is also applicable to Captains in Perth, Cairns and Townsville if they stay for another 2 years.
Closer to $15k after tax. The bonus wouldnít match the salary shortfall of staying at Rex for two years vs leaving to a higher paying jet job. I wonder if airline managers sometimes think pilots a) have no idea what other airlines pay and b) canít do basic math.
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Relevant question. Never seen so many demoted people. Ever.
Sorry, what? Demoted from what to what?

You clearly have an axe to grind- how about being honest about what your experience was.
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So, from Casa records which match the Rex website, there are 61 Saab 340s operated by Rex/Pelair. Of them, 19 havent flown in over a month, with another couple that havent flown in the last two or three weeks. Two or three of them might well be in heavy maintenance, but that still leaves a solid third, or just under, of the Saab fleet parked up for months on end - at least a quarter of the fleet parked at Wagga, Adelaide and so on. That must be costing a fortune. According to Flightaware some of that parked fleet last flew in 2022.
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 12:42
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
Apparently the best way to get a 73 spot is put a resignation in. The fleet manager calls you within a few hours.
This is a well known story amongst current crew. If you screw people it has a knock on effect, not just to the people it directly effects but also to people who hear about these things happening to their respected peers. These stories influence individual decisions about career futures.

There are lots of other jobs available at the moment and whoever offers the best deal will get the people.

You can treat your people well, or not.
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a solid third, or just under, of the Saab fleet parked up for months on end
I think those are the ones waiting for the electric engines. That will be the gig to bid for. Fly one max range sector, plug the charge cable in, and ride your pushbike back home.
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