All borders to reopen.
You would probably want the quarantine facilities near airports than can accept widebodies for direct international services. Less need for connecting internal flights. I'm thinking Curtin, Scherger, Alice Springs, quite a few of the FIFO ports (if any can be temporarily spared for quarantine use), Woomera, Rockhampton. Christmas Island could be an option although it could be a bit tight for some widebodies.
Far more can be done, it's just that no one wants to. More interested in arguing with each other and playing the blame game.
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Far more can be done, it's just that no one wants to. More interested in arguing with each other and playing the blame game.
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On the contra side, the government would have to pay for setting up / maintaining, staffing and guarding these quarantine facilities in the remote areas.
That's why "no one wants to" do this.
$$$$$$$$$
BTW, we've had the same suggestions in NZ from opposition MPs "build a big new quarantine centre at RNZAF Base Ohakea".
I suspect that someone explained the financial facts of life, they've gone all quiet on it.
Yeah, nah. I won't be getting it, and neither will the kidlets.
I'm certainly not an anti-vaxxer, I'm all for standard vaccinations and the entire family is as up to date as we can be, but, both the KRviatrix and I have concerns about the speed with which these vaccines have progressed from development, through testing to distribution. I get that part of it is because there are so many companies etc collaborating on development & testing, but I'll wait a bit longer until I roll up the sleeves. History is littered with examples of "It was a good idea at the time..."
I'm certainly not an anti-vaxxer, I'm all for standard vaccinations and the entire family is as up to date as we can be, but, both the KRviatrix and I have concerns about the speed with which these vaccines have progressed from development, through testing to distribution. I get that part of it is because there are so many companies etc collaborating on development & testing, but I'll wait a bit longer until I roll up the sleeves. History is littered with examples of "It was a good idea at the time..."
There is risk with all vaccines, yet I’m guessing that you have had all those.
I’ll do whatever I have to do to get the world back to normal.
And if your employer has a no jab no work policy? What then?
As was the case with a couple of countries not permitting crew over 65, it may see some pilots having to move to a domestic fleet if they aren't prepared to be vaccinated.
And people wonder why the virus is tearing through a lot of other nations.......
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When the head of Pfizer admits they are not even sure if you can still transmit the virus when vaccinated and "it needs to be looked into more" - for the sake of a virus that will burn out by itself, and has negligible consequence on people with a normal, healthy metabolic system,
yeah, I think i'll pass. Just the same as I don't bother getting a flu vaccine because i'm not in any risk category that would warrant bothering.
As expected, vaccines that are used to combat serious disease / risk of being life altering or death are being conflated with this Corona virus vaccine.
I’ll do whatever I have to do to get the world back to normal.
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The difference between a pro-vaccine person and a anti-vaccine person.
Pro-vaccine person believes a drug can counteract the bad bacteria that has caused the infection. This has been going on for the last 200 years.
Anti-vaccine person believes good bacteria that counteracts the bad bacteria prevents infection in the first place. This has been going on for the last 5000 years.
That's the dilemma in a nutshell not an argument. As time has evolved the chemical/physical/emotional stress has built slowly, century after century.
Don't forget the gut has trillions of bad bacteria at any one time and your gut is 80% of your immune system. The way you counteract that bacteria is your business
and no one else's.
Pro-vaccine person believes a drug can counteract the bad bacteria that has caused the infection. This has been going on for the last 200 years.
Anti-vaccine person believes good bacteria that counteracts the bad bacteria prevents infection in the first place. This has been going on for the last 5000 years.
That's the dilemma in a nutshell not an argument. As time has evolved the chemical/physical/emotional stress has built slowly, century after century.
Don't forget the gut has trillions of bad bacteria at any one time and your gut is 80% of your immune system. The way you counteract that bacteria is your business
and no one else's.
Ohh FFS 
Better turn off all your EGPWS alerts and TCAS systems as well. They’re preventing you from dieing just like a vaccine.
God there are some paranoid people on here.
And the virus will die out will it? That’s why countries are into their 3rd and 4th waves and the US has just recorded some massive increase in the case rate.
Better turn off all your EGPWS alerts and TCAS systems as well. They’re preventing you from dieing just like a vaccine.
God there are some paranoid people on here.
And the virus will die out will it? That’s why countries are into their 3rd and 4th waves and the US has just recorded some massive increase in the case rate.
The difference between a pro-vaccine person and a anti-vaccine person.
Pro-vaccine person believes a drug can counteract the bad bacteria that has caused the infection. This has been going on for the last 200 years.
Anti-vaccine person believes good bacteria that counteracts the bad bacteria prevents infection in the first place. This has been going on for the last 5000 years.
That's the dilemma in a nutshell not an argument. As time has evolved the chemical/physical/emotional stress has built slowly, century after century.
Don't forget the gut has trillions of bad bacteria at any one time and your gut is 80% of your immune system. The way you counteract that bacteria is your business
and no one else's.
Pro-vaccine person believes a drug can counteract the bad bacteria that has caused the infection. This has been going on for the last 200 years.
Anti-vaccine person believes good bacteria that counteracts the bad bacteria prevents infection in the first place. This has been going on for the last 5000 years.
That's the dilemma in a nutshell not an argument. As time has evolved the chemical/physical/emotional stress has built slowly, century after century.
Don't forget the gut has trillions of bad bacteria at any one time and your gut is 80% of your immune system. The way you counteract that bacteria is your business
and no one else's.
Ask someone who had polio as a kid if they would have liked a vaccine.
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I believe the famous dr dre wrote this yesterday...
Vaccines get the bodies immune system ready to fight off the infection the second it hits the body, instead of unvaccinated infection which allows the virus to get a foothold over several days before the bodies immune system creates antibodies to fight it off. So whilst the virus may technically infect the body, the sickness is less severe or non existent. Less severe or non existent symptoms means less likelihood of virus spread in the community
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I'm posting a paraphrased version of what 99% of medical experts (all minus the quacks) know. I sourced it from a World Health Organisation document here:
How do vaccines work?
Those who say they know more than the "so called experts" were saying Covid is going to die naturally, is not a problem as their symptoms were mild, and thought they knew more about vaccine approval than the specialists. These are not positions supported by the overwhelming bulk of medical experts.
And Dr Dre, 99% of what governments are doing is not backed by scientific evidence either. While they don’t look at the excess mortality, impact of masks and lockdowns etc they expect people to listen to them when they say, you must have a vaccine.
There has never been a requirement for a vaccine for a corona virus before and new technologies have been used to try and create one now in record time.
Nothing makes sense anymore but I think each individual has a right to choose, to look at the evidence and make their own mind up, not follow the scaremongers and sign their rights away even more.
There has never been a requirement for a vaccine for a corona virus before and new technologies have been used to try and create one now in record time.
Nothing makes sense anymore but I think each individual has a right to choose, to look at the evidence and make their own mind up, not follow the scaremongers and sign their rights away even more.
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Polio was and still is a disease invented by man by poor sanitory and poor water quality. Hence your bad bacteria has well and
truly defeated your good bacteria. That's why you get sick.
Poliomyelitis, commonly shortened to polio, is an infectious disease caused by the poliovirus.[1] In about 0.5 percent of cases, it moves from the gut to affect the central nervous system and there is muscle weaknessresulting in a flaccid Poliovirus is usually spread from person to person through infected fecal matter entering the mouth.[1] It may also be spread by food or water containing human feces and less commonly from infected saliva.[1][3
Thank's wikipedia and note the word gut.
Although there’s indifvidual state differences I think most scientists, experts and the governments would agree (some more begrudgingly than others) that masks work, lockdowns help reduce spread and vaccines will be safe and distributed ASAP amongst the masses. Who are you to say what is behind the stopping of the spread is not backed by scientific evidence?
Although there’s indifvidual state differences I think most scientists, experts and the governments would agree (some more begrudgingly than others) that masks work, lockdowns help reduce spread and vaccines will be safe and distributed ASAP amongst the masses. Who are you to say what is behind the stopping of the spread is not backed by scientific evidence?
Ahh, Ivor Cummins, the Chemical engineer turned Diet and health food book swindler who’s now decided, with no public health qualifications or experience, that he knows far more than the “so called experts”.
I can’t be bothered to a sit through an hour of conspiracies from someone who is not remotely qualified to talk about the subject matter. I think he, you and a whole lot of others posting here need to read this, as it explains one of the biggest problems with modern society:
The problem with thinking you know more than the experts
I can’t be bothered to a sit through an hour of conspiracies from someone who is not remotely qualified to talk about the subject matter. I think he, you and a whole lot of others posting here need to read this, as it explains one of the biggest problems with modern society:
The problem with thinking you know more than the experts
My interpretation of that data has the exact same weight as your interpretation, Ivor Cummins’ interpretation and anyone who does not have sufficient qualification in public health or epidemiology’s interpretation.
Zero.
So next time you break a bone before the Doctor has a chance to look at the x-ray snatch it out of his hand and tell him his mere “opinion” on it has the same weight as the receptionist or the practice cleaner. Or your own.
It doesn’t matter how persuasive or confident charlatans like Ivor Cummins are. If he’s not influencing opinions of the ones who matter (public health experts and epidemiologists) then his words are nothing more than PR designed for clicks and YouTube views to attract gullible types to his brand to buy his Keto Diet books.
The country that was going for a herd immunity approach (Sweden) failed and have now changed course to what the rest of the world is doing.
FFS how did society become so f*cking stupid......
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UK commentary as to what works does not really apply to the Australian experience.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...pickerSort=asc
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...pickerSort=asc
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Where I am currently sitting in my man cave, there are three people who had COVID within 50m of me. Diagonally-opposite neighbour to the NW was a fit ex-navy type in his 50s. One of the initial batch of infectees in the state. Still several kg too light, still not near pre-COVID fitness. Couple in house to the SW, husband is mid 40s in aviation, was a keen cyclist, fitness now shattered. Wife early 40s, also was in good shape, and is only now shaking off recurrent waves of anxiety and again fitness is way off. So don't spout uninformed bull**** about COVID-19 being inconsequential. It is at minimum equivalent to glandular fever for many, with an R value exceeding 1.0 by a big margin, so every ******** will get if it runs free.
Just because some government reactions are over the top fanatical, and causing equivalent damage as the virus, does not make it right to spout rubbish about COVID-19 being nothing to write home about.
And to anyone posting malarkey about COVID not killing too many more people than the flu etc, please show a little bit of common sense and consider what might happen if we were not actively shutting the virus spread down by throwing everything else under bus. FFS.