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Old 5th Dec 2020, 10:40
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... and has negligible consequence on people with a normal, healthy metabolic system
I accept Boris Johnson is abnormal, and for that reason he needed ventilation to keep living. I accept Tim Brooke Taylor was gonna die anyway, yada yada.

Where I am currently sitting in my man cave, there are three people who had COVID within 50m of me. Diagonally-opposite neighbour to the NW was a fit ex-navy type in his 50s. One of the initial batch of infectees in the state. Still several kg too light, still not near pre-COVID fitness. Couple in house to the SW, husband is mid 40s in aviation, was a keen cyclist, fitness now shattered. Wife early 40s, also was in good shape, and is only now shaking off recurrent waves of anxiety and again fitness is way off. So don't spout uninformed bullshit about COVID-19 being inconsequential. It is at minimum equivalent to glandular fever for many, with an R value exceeding 1.0 by a big margin, so every ******** will get if it runs free.

Just because some government reactions are over the top fanatical, and causing equivalent damage as the virus, does not make it right to spout rubbish about COVID-19 being nothing to write home about.

And to anyone posting malarkey about COVID not killing too many more people than the flu etc, please show a little bit of common sense and consider what might happen if we were not actively shutting the virus spread down by throwing everything else under bus. FFS.



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Old 5th Dec 2020, 12:22
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Why donít those who are talking it down, actually go and get infected if theyíre so confident, then tell us how you go afterwards.

Perhaps this is natural selection at play, off you all go
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Old 5th Dec 2020, 12:23
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And in breaking news..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-...ntine/12954384

More people who think the rules donít apply to them.. there goes the borders!!!
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Old 5th Dec 2020, 12:36
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post
The difference between a pro-vaccine person and a anti-vaccine person.

Pro-vaccine person believes a drug can counteract the bad bacteria that has caused the infection. This has been going on for the last 200 years.
Anti-vaccine person believes good bacteria that counteracts the bad bacteria prevents infection in the first place. This has been going on for the last 5000 years.

That's the dilemma in a nutshell not an argument. As time has evolved the chemical/physical/emotional stress has built slowly, century after century.
Don't forget the gut has trillions of bad bacteria at any one time and your gut is 80% of your immune system. The way you counteract that bacteria is your business
and no one else's.
Iím increasing suspicious that youíre just trolling turnleft.

You DO know that we are talking about a virus here, donít you? And that a bacteria is not a virus?
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Old 5th Dec 2020, 13:38
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Damn, didn't realise we had so many medical professionals posting here. Makes you wonder why anyone would bother to go to university and study science when we have geniuses here who can say with authority they know more than the "so called experts".

And people wonder why the virus is tearing through a lot of other nations.......
Haha mate woah. I didn't claim to be a medical expert. Just giving my experience of how the virus felt. I'm certainly not anti-vax or anything like that. Real science cannot be disputed. I think what it comes down to more, is that we're entitled to our core beliefs. Some people believe that death is unacceptable. Others believe that birth and death is the most natural thing in the world. And before you say that's insensitive of me, I am fully aware that my death is also inevitable. Nature suggests "survival of the fittest, to the benefit of the herd". You can have the opinion that we haven't been strict enough with lockdowns. I can have the opinion that we have been too strict and it may possibly have a lasting affect on young peoples lives for decades to come. But to say right now that either of us knows for certain is a naive point of view.
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Old 5th Dec 2020, 14:37
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
And in breaking news..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-...ntine/12954384

More people who think the rules donít apply to them.. there goes the borders!!!
This and hotels are just ticking time bombs until the next cluster surfaces as a result. Whoever is responsible for the process breakdowns with these people need to be charged.

Still have people working multiple jobs at Hotels.

The Premiers have said they will not close the borders unless a significant outbreak is created, however I donít think they will hesitate one bit if they can sniff a hotel or airport leakage problem about to surface. She normally gives Sydney a 48hr threat so you might be able to just get home in time.






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Old 5th Dec 2020, 19:33
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How is it possible his late in the game, that international travelers are able to skip hotel quarantine. Australia needs to grow a set and start criminally charging these ppl.

This is the ticking time bomb that needs to be addressed by not allowing international arrivals to capital cityís anymore risk is to high to us.
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Originally Posted by Ragnor View Post
How is it possible his late in the game, that international travelers are able to skip hotel quarantine. Australia needs to grow a set and start criminally charging these ppl.

This is the ticking time bomb that needs to be addressed by not allowing international arrivals to capital city’s anymore risk is to high to us.
They (the 2 German tourists I think ) not only escaped quarantine, they escaped officials at SYD International then had to either train it, or bus it, to the
domestic side to catch the Virgin flight. Problem identified at MEL airport the last piece of swiss cheese blocked. All pax and flight crew texted. Wow.
What about those on the train or bus?
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Old 6th Dec 2020, 02:13
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Looks like the security/quarantine theater show is on again. What on earth are these government officials doing to allow two foreign nationals to literally walk straight into Australia? What is the point of all the restrictions, the economic damage etc when you can just walk straight in? Lets not forget all the other stuff ups that seem to be at the hand of the government officials this year too. This year has seen the vast majority of the population do the right thing only to have the government at one level or another screw it up.
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Old 6th Dec 2020, 02:28
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NSW has done very well through out this, but, this latest is almost unforgivable. Yes there will be outbreaks and cases but this should never have happens. NSW police let these two escape, as news is coming in its apparent it could of been lining up in the line for the bus when the two told police they had exemption to on travel, luckily to the diligent airport staff in ML this was picked up and reported.
This whole not wanting to hurt anyoneís feelings give them a pat on the back tell them to try harder next time etc is rubbish. This virus has killed caused economic damage and heartache. Ppl need to be held accountable over this or stop the international arrivals.

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Old 6th Dec 2020, 02:42
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Originally Posted by unexplained blip View Post
I accept Boris Johnson is abnormal, and for that reason he needed ventilation to keep living. I accept Tim Brooke Taylor was gonna die anyway, yada yada.

Where I am currently sitting in my man cave, there are three people who had COVID within 50m of me. Diagonally-opposite neighbour to the NW was a fit ex-navy type in his 50s. One of the initial batch of infectees in the state. Still several kg too light, still not near pre-COVID fitness. Couple in house to the SW, husband is mid 40s in aviation, was a keen cyclist, fitness now shattered. Wife early 40s, also was in good shape, and is only now shaking off recurrent waves of anxiety and again fitness is way off. So don't spout uninformed bullshit about COVID-19 being inconsequential. It is at minimum equivalent to glandular fever for many, with an R value exceeding 1.0 by a big margin, so every ******** will get if it runs free.

Just because some government reactions are over the top fanatical, and causing equivalent damage as the virus, does not make it right to spout rubbish about COVID-19 being nothing to write home about.

And to anyone posting malarkey about COVID not killing too many more people than the flu etc, please show a little bit of common sense and consider what might happen if we were not actively shutting the virus spread down by throwing everything else under bus. FFS.
Well said and interesting to get this perspective from someone who has witnessed it, first hand. I don't know anyone who has had it, so I appreciate your view and agree with everything you've said.
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Old 6th Dec 2020, 04:11
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post
They (the 2 German tourists I think ) not only escaped quarantine, they escaped officials at SYD International then had to either train it, or bus it, to the
domestic side to catch the Virgin flight. Problem identified at MEL airport the last piece of swiss cheese blocked.
Again the common denominator.

Sydney Airport International terminal, city train or city bus to Domestic terminal, Melbourne airport terminal. All staff and passengers using those transport hubs then move all over those cities, potentially spreading it in every direction.

Solution? Fly them direct to Curtin, Christmas Island, Alice Springs, Woomera, etc. Problem solved.
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Old 6th Dec 2020, 04:59
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Originally Posted by unexplained blip View Post
Where I am currently sitting in my man cave, there are three people who had COVID within 50m of me. Diagonally-opposite neighbour to the NW was a fit ex-navy type in his 50s. One of the initial batch of infectees in the state. Still several kg too light, still not near pre-COVID fitness. Couple in house to the SW, husband is mid 40s in aviation, was a keen cyclist, fitness now shattered. Wife early 40s, also was in good shape, and is only now shaking off recurrent waves of anxiety and again fitness is way off. So don't spout uninformed bullshit about COVID-19 being inconsequential.
Amazing to have so many people so close when only one in just under a million Australians have been infected.
Stats show COVID-19 is inconsequential to the vast, vast, majority of those infected.
Your anecdotal evidence is weak.

BTW I do not oppose the vaccine rollout; quite the opposite. No need to be sprouting uninformed anecdotal bullshit though.
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Old 6th Dec 2020, 05:19
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Australians canít get flights home. How do German tourists get in?
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Old 6th Dec 2020, 05:25
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Amazing to have so many people so close when only one in just under a million Australians have been infected.
One in just under a million have been infected?! I’m not great at math, but maybe rethink that.
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Old 6th Dec 2020, 05:44
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One in just under a million have been infected?! Iím not great at math, but maybe rethink that.
ha ha. But pilots are experts at everything dontchya know
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Old 6th Dec 2020, 05:50
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Australians canít get flights home. How do German tourists get in?
They need to be sent back if they are tourists.

The Car Rental clerk in Melbourne was the person that apparently raised the concern and called the authorities.

They purchased the Virgin tickets while on the train between terminals. They most certainly had this planned and we need to drop the book hard on these two big time.

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Old 6th Dec 2020, 07:20
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ABC and The West Australian are both reporting them as German nationals. I ask again.. how did they get here in the first place?
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Old 6th Dec 2020, 07:50
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ABC and The West Australian are both reporting them as German nationals. I ask again.. how did they get here in the first place?
They're German nationals but Australian residents. It was a security guard (not car rental) that raised the alarm. They asked directions for the car rentals then the security guard probed them thats when they (the Germans) requested directions to hotel quarantine. NSW police are owning the [email protected]#k up saying it was a veteran cop but only this cop second day doing hotel quarantine seems they gave him a pat on the back and told him to try harder next time. This guy needs to be disciplined its been going on long enough they should know what to do by now.
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Old 6th Dec 2020, 08:18
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Australians canít get flights home. How do German tourists get in?
I was a bit confused by that too.

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