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Old 23rd Jan 2022, 23:30
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because they are the primary spreaders. 0-20 age group are the primary source of infection for Omicron and Delta.
primary spreaders who by being double vaccinated give just a 4% protection against transmission according to to state daddy himself. He has said ‘to keep our children safe’
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Old 23rd Jan 2022, 23:32
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No, we don't. We spend billions mitigating the risks of car accidents, From traffic laws to design standards to licencing and enforcemment. We restrict peoples freedom in order to save as many ilves as practical. The same with food standards and mental health measures. We have made huge efforts to reduce the risk from smoking.We don't let ANY activity with that kind of risk just "let rip".
the point is we accept a certain number of road deaths otherwise vehicles would be banned completely. McGowan didn’t accept ANY death from Covid previously, hence he shut the borders to enforce Covid 0

Same with cigarettes - we accept a number of deaths despite all the death reducing initiatives we have. We could adopt what NZ and Singapore is thinking of introducing - a total ban on the young generation taking up smoking which eventually will eliminate cigarettes from legal existence after some time.

the point is we need to accept Covid deaths as well

apples to oranges of course as vehicles are needed and Covid isnt. But the acceptance of death is the similar point.
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Old 24th Jan 2022, 00:03
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If it was proven banning alcohol would stop covid in its tracks ( as well as car accidents , family breakups and health issues ) would Australians agree to prohibition of alcohol ? Highly unlikely ! I can hear the masses now saying , covids just a flu , does not kill many , let’s just have a beer , calm down and get on with it .
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Old 24th Jan 2022, 01:09
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Originally Posted by Jester64
the point is we accept a certain number of road deaths otherwise vehicles would be banned completely. McGowan didn’t accept ANY death from Covid previously, hence he shut the borders to enforce Covid 0

Same with cigarettes - we accept a number of deaths despite all the death reducing initiatives we have. We could adopt what NZ and Singapore is thinking of introducing - a total ban on the young generation taking up smoking which eventually will eliminate cigarettes from legal existence after some time.

the point is we need to accept Covid deaths as well

apples to oranges of course as vehicles are needed and Covid isnt. But the acceptance of death is the similar point.
Sure- but it's a cost/benefit analysis. Bear in mind, Covid ALSO adversley effects the ecconomy the "let her rip" crowd claims to value- we've kept a decent amount of ecconomic activitey going while keeping damage to a minimum. Even McGowan knows therewill be a time deaths are inevitable, but is of the opinion that damage can be minimized and that it's worth the longer restrictions.

I don't neccessarliy agree with him, but I do see hos point.
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Old 24th Jan 2022, 01:15
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Two steps forward, one step backwards. I think most of Australia would rather that then to have the nation sit on its hands indefinitely. I’m pretty sure the ‘let it rip’ crowd would also be calling for changes to the isolation rules.
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Old 24th Jan 2022, 01:50
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz
Sure- but it's a cost/benefit analysis. Bear in mind, Covid ALSO adversley effects the ecconomy the "let her rip" crowd claims to value- we've kept a decent amount of ecconomic activitey going while keeping damage to a minimum. Even McGowan knows therewill be a time deaths are inevitable, but is of the opinion that damage can be minimized and that it's worth the longer restrictions.

I don't neccessarliy agree with him, but I do see hos point.
There's some very early indications as the peak in cases has passed over east that people are now going out and spending in the economy again. Wednesday's public holiday will be an interesting comparison, I'm not sure what the situation is over east but in WA there's already trepidation over the Skyworks and numbers will probably be down there and at other public events. Very quickly the argument that WA is having a relatively normal period of holiday economic activity compared to the east is going to be a moot point.

There is a very brief window when the optimal protection from the boosters is going to be - March, in addition to the risk of allowing an outbreak in winter.

No doubt relevant businesses and the media will push him on this point. AJ on local Perth radio this morning said they are going to talk to the government and want some type of assurance about dates regarding the Perth London route, and pretty much said they have a deadline of about a week before deciding whether or not to keep it going via Darwin for either April or the peak (dry) season. As an aside he does seem to want the route to eventually return to Perth as a first preference and seems to want assurances or other commitments to keep that service in Perth for the months after it's scheduled to restart, whether it's firm dates or money or something.

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Old 24th Jan 2022, 20:43
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Not sure how others are, here we have had February wiped clean. Sounds like no one is traveling at all. Just as I thought SY was getting busy again.
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Old 24th Jan 2022, 21:22
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz
Thankyou for a meaningless reply that addressed my post in exactley zero meaningful ways.

Do you wear a seatbelt, or is that giving in to fear?
mate I’m double jabbed and I’ve had covid. To be honest, if I hadn’t have tested I’d have never have known. Family of varying ages have experienced cold like or mild flu like at worst.

get jabbed and move on - there’s no need to root the economy any more than it has been. It isn’t 2020, we know what we’re dealing with, there’s vaccines and it’s mutating into weaker strains.

if you all want to huddle up and hide, that’s fine, but let the rest of us get on with paying taxes to fund the health system.
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 04:05
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mate I’m double jabbed and I’ve had covid. To be honest, if I hadn’t have tested I’d have never have known. Family of varying ages have experienced cold like or mild flu like at worst.

get jabbed and move on - there’s no need to root the economy any more than it has been. It isn’t 2020, we know what we’re dealing with, there’s vaccines and it’s mutating into weaker strains.

if you all want to huddle up and hide, that’s fine, but let the rest of us get on with paying taxes to fund the health system.
Australia has a sick obsession with case
numbers and testing. 1,119,442 active cases with 1,119,050 in mild or less condition. 392 in serious or critical condition, with 138 on ventilators. And those reported case numbers are likely to be 10% of the actual case numbers, according to some state health authorities. Wake up Australia
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Judge in the defamation case with Palmer and McGowan has ruled McGowan must travel to NSW for trial. Watch that slimy piece of sh&$ try and weasel his way out of quarantine. He’s got two choices, do the hotel quarantine and taste his own medicine. He’ll probably get some respect for that. Or, the more likely outcome is he snakes his way out of it because he sees himself as too important. He’ll be smashed by all media. If he now opens, it will look like he’s only done it so he doesn’t have to quarantine. He’ll try to hide behind the ‘worlds best medical advice’ , but again, the media will smash him.

Good one Justice Lee.
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 08:11
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Originally Posted by goodonyamate
Judge in the defamation case with Palmer and McGowan has ruled McGowan must travel to NSW for trial. Watch that slimy piece of sh&$ try and weasel his way out of quarantine. He’s got two choices, do the hotel quarantine and taste his own medicine. He’ll probably get some respect for that. Or, the more likely outcome is he snakes his way out of it because he sees himself as too important. He’ll be smashed by all media. If he now opens, it will look like he’s only done it so he doesn’t have to quarantine. He’ll try to hide behind the ‘worlds best medical advice’ , but again, the media will smash him.

Good one Justice Lee.
Before you start getting all excited and frothing at the mouth, the Premier has already stated this morning he will do 2
weeks quarantine. And in fact, he does not have to, as politicians are exempt. But he had stated he is happy to do it.
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 08:21
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Glancing through the previous posts posts on this subject, there seems to be various strains of Omicron depending on your Geography! The strain where I live ,which for the fully vaccinated, is more of an inconvenience than a dangerous illness. All my family and I contracted it over New Year, no more symptoms than the usual UK Winter sniffles, Fully recovered after 8/9 days. Although there are still many infections, hospitalisation and deaths are falling (Mainly the unvaccinated need hospitalisation)
Most restrictions on the public are being removed in the next week, or so, as are mandatory testing for travel in and out of the Country. And nearly full A380s fly happy pax to SA, USA and the Gulf.

Then there seems to be the far more dangerous Omicron strain feared for example, in China, parts of Australia and New Zealand which require full Isolation,no travel, and vast Lockdowns??

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Old 25th Jan 2022, 08:39
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Glancing through the previous posts posts on this subject, there seems to be various strains of Omicron depending on your Geography! The strain where I live ,which for the fully vaccinated, is more of an inconvenience than a dangerous illness. All my family and I contracted it over New Year, no more symptoms than the usual UK Winter sniffles, Fully recovered after 8/9 days. Although there are still many infections, hospitalisation and deaths are falling (Mainly the unvaccinated need hospitalisation)
Most restrictions on the public are being removed in the next week, or so, as are mandatory testing for travel in and out of the Country.

Then there seems to be the far more dangerous Omicron strain feared for example, in China, parts of Australia and New Zealand which require full Isolation,no travel, and vast Lockdowns??
the election variant
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 09:01
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May have change of PM this year,, but no General Election for a couple of years!! Are you saying the C19 stats and medical experts here are politically motivated in their advice to the public??
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 09:07
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Originally Posted by SOPS
Before you start getting all excited and frothing at the mouth, the Premier has already stated this morning he will do 2
weeks quarantine. And in fact, he does not have to, as politicians are exempt. But he had stated he is happy to do it.
I would be happy to as well if I was on 400K to spend 2 weeks at home on the payroll
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 09:34
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May have change of PM this year,, but no General Election for a couple of years!! Are you saying the C19 stats and medical experts here are politically motivated in their advice to the public??
in Australia and NZ - yes. It’s been 100% politics for at least rhe last year
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 09:44
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Before you start getting all excited and frothing at the mouth, the Premier has already stated this morning he will do 2
weeks quarantine. And in fact, he does not have to, as politicians are exempt. But he had stated he is happy to do it.
Politicians are exempt exempt from inbound restrictions but must still do 2wks home quarantine. If Marko does that at his home, his whole family has to quarantine as well.
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 10:48
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Politicians are exempt exempt from inbound restrictions but must still do 2wks home quarantine. If Marko does that at his home, his whole family has to quarantine as well.
You are 100 percent correct.
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 11:18
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Just need NSW to introduce a short term C*ckhead quarantine rule.
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 11:35
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............. If Marko does that at his home, his whole family has to quarantine as well.
But then, why would he do that?
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