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Old 25th Jan 2022, 21:39
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Originally Posted by Buster Hyman
Just need NSW to introduce a short term C*ckhead quarantine rule.
I guess that Scott Morrison better not travel to Canberra then?
Wait, I misread your post. Morrison will be ok, he is a long term cockhead!
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Old 25th Jan 2022, 22:07
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Seems ppl can’t wait to vote a bigger c**khead in.
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Old 26th Jan 2022, 08:10
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Politicians are exempt exempt from inbound restrictions but must still do 2wks home quarantine. If Marko does that at his home, his whole family has to quarantine as well.
And McGowan is benefiting from NSW's more liberal position too. If they were following his "abundance of caution" model he'd be locked up for a month, two weeks in NSW then 2 more in WA.
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Old 26th Jan 2022, 12:27
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I guess that Scott Morrison better not travel to Canberra then?
Wait, I misread your post. Morrison will be ok, he is a long term cockhead!
Perhaps those forum posters that also fit the C*ckhead mould should look at their travel plans....mmmh.

But, hey, bet there would be support for "Each Way Albo" to enter each of the Labor Fiefdoms to sprout his offer, whilst denying Morrison entry, or the Indies, or the Greens, etc etc....nice way to shut down fair democracy.
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Old 26th Jan 2022, 15:17
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Talking

As long as 'Albo' is 'head honcho' of the opposition, that is where 'they' will remain OI rekkon......

Come on next election...or is that 'chinese' for my next wish from the 'good fairy'..??

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Old 26th Jan 2022, 20:15
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody
And McGowan is benefiting from NSW's more liberal position too. If they were following his "abundance of caution" model he'd be locked up for a month, two weeks in NSW then 2 more in WA.
The two weeks on return to the state of Wait Awhile is correct but NSW should be enforcing the two weeks quarantine while the medical profession check to see what version of delusion he is suffering from. We wouldn't want to spread his disease in NSW and other states.
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Old 26th Jan 2022, 22:52
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He has no intention of opening the border this year. unless I’m not interpreting this properly. Read the bit about the quarantine facilities.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-...tent/100783900

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Old 27th Jan 2022, 01:53
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Originally Posted by Chad Gates
He has no intention of opening the border this year. unless I’m not interpreting this properly. Read the bit about the quarantine facilities.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-...tent/100783900
I don't think you're interpreting it properly. Those quarantine facilities are also being built in Queensland and Victoria, and they already have one in the NT (Howard Springs), yet those places are open. These facilities are more about long term needs for quarantine in the future (to avoid what happened in this pandemic with so many Australians being kept outside the country for so long), or the accommodation of a large group of people in a facility for other purposes.

WA proposals for future entry do include quarantine on unvaccinated arrivals, so in the context of this current pandemic it may be about them and then putting them into a purpose built quarantine facility rather than hotels, whilst vaccinated travelers (hopefully soon) are not required to quarantine.

In terms of when WA will open to the vaccinated? Probably when more RATs arrive and workable close contact rules have been finalised to avoid workforce disruptions seen in the east over the last month. Meeting with mining companies to finalise those rules tomorrow and there should be 25 million RATs in the state by end of February. Other reasons like declining booster protection in the already boosted elderly and impending winter surge will require WA to be open soon, I still predict this delay to extend no more than early March, about 4 weeks from original.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 02:35
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I do hope youíre right doc. I just donít understand why hotel quarantine facilities would be all chocked up going into August if the border is indeed open.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 02:50
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Originally Posted by Chad Gates
I do hope you’re right doc. I just don’t understand why hotel quarantine facilities would be all chocked up going into August if the border is indeed open.
It's a 500-1000 bed facility.

Unvaccinated travelers still have to do 14 days quarantine. That's only about 35-70 new people coming into the camp per day. Even now with the extreme risk to all other states there's far more entrants into the state as a whole per day.

So if they were estimating about 2000 international arrivals per day that's only about 3.5% of the estimated arrivals who could be accommodated in this facility. It could hold those who come down with symptoms inflight, or those who test positive on arrival. Or any other diseases, say another Ebola outbreak?

Given that it'll only hold 35-70 new entrants per day at maximum theoretical capacity then it isn't going to be used for the vast majority of people planned to come into the state, only the very few who need to quarantine for a specific reason. And this discounts the greater number of domestic arrivals who are now coming from a non Covid Zero locations, so essentially and practically the same level as international arrivals.

Now if they were planning on a 20-50,000 bed facility then I'd say Covid zero is the long term plan. As they aren't then a long term hard border is not the plan as far as I can see.

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Old 27th Jan 2022, 02:59
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And to think the country is worried about plastic straws.

Letís waste 2 RAT kits per child per week for no benefit. If you presented to a lab for PCR test with no symptoms they would send you away.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 04:27
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Originally Posted by Chad Gates
I do hope youíre right doc. I just donít understand why hotel quarantine facilities would be all chocked up going into August if the border is indeed open.
And in addition to what I posted above I've just found this article just posted which explains those comments a bit better. States the Quarantine Facility is not going to be used for mandatory isolation once borders open. What it'll be used for is travelers who test positive and need to isolate, but don't have a place to isolate because the hotel quarantine system has been shut down.

The premier said WA had to keep its hotel quarantine system operational because once the borders reopened, there would be infected people with nowhere to isolate. He said the hotels would be needed until at least July or August when the federal governmentís Bullsbrook quarantine hub opened.

So the comments regarding the purpose built Quarantine facility aren't a long term plan for a hard border. It's simply for those who need a place to isolate once the border reopens and the hotel quarantine system has been shut down.
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Old 28th Jan 2022, 03:48
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In terms of when WA will open to the vaccinated? Probably when more RATs arrive and workable close contact rules have been finalised to avoid workforce disruptions seen in the east over the last month. Meeting with mining companies to finalise those rules tomorrow and there should be 25 million RATs in the state by end of February. Other reasons like declining booster protection in the already boosted elderly and impending winter surge will require WA to be open soon, I still predict this delay to extend no more than early March, about 4 weeks from original.
What happened to him saying he was waiting for triple vaccination or has that been canned already because it didn't poll very well? I read the AMA have got stuck into him about the irrationality of his decision making.
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Old 28th Jan 2022, 04:22
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody
What happened to him saying he was waiting for triple vaccination or has that been canned already because it didn't poll very well? I read the AMA have got stuck into him about the irrationality of his decision making.
Yeah I think the backlash was greater than he thought. Even the previously sympathetic West Australian newspaper has gotten stuck into him since last week's delay. There is some benefit to waiting to get as many people boosted as possible before allowing higher spread (assuming this current wave doesn't take off, and seeing it has hit nightclubs and festivals it probably will). So the triple dose mandate was implemented for 75% of the workforce and generally not a source of discontent, and predictions are 75% booster rate should be hit by March 2. But unlike the drive to get to 80-90% double vaxxed there now is a latest possible time they can hold off for. Late March is peak booster efficiency in the already boosted elderly, and the wave will take 6-8 weeks to pass through, so it definitely has to open up in March for it to end before winter.

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Old 30th Jan 2022, 10:28
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Puzzled from afar, while presently watching a nearly full arena at a tennis match in Victoria. Have WA identified a more deadly strain of Omicron, than other parts of Australia, that need a China style lockdown/isolation?
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Old 30th Jan 2022, 10:30
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Originally Posted by cessnapete
Puzzled from afar, while presently watching a nearly full arena at a tennis match in Victoria. Have WA identified a more deadly strain of Omicron, than other parts of Australia, that need a China style lockdown/isolation?
No one outside of WA can answer ? Itís a mystery to us all .
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Old 30th Jan 2022, 22:51
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Originally Posted by cessnapete
Puzzled from afar, while presently watching a nearly full arena at a tennis match in Victoria. Have WA identified a more deadly strain of Omicron, than other parts of Australia, that need a China style lockdown/isolation?
they can't handle any omicron cases as the hospital's are full already even with zero cases.
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Old 30th Jan 2022, 23:22
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they can't handle any omicron cases as the hospital's are full already even with zero cases.
Full hospitals with ambulance ramping up to four hours but McGowan does have $5.6 billion surplus.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-...date/100438990
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Old 31st Jan 2022, 03:04
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I am not convinced the WA lockdown means much to eastern states aviation activity. There are no border restrictions here in the engine room of the economy*, yet the terminals are pretty much deserted, and the few flights well under capacity. I am just starting a roster and will be lucky to do half of my pre covid hours.

*gratuitous piss take of WA
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Old 31st Jan 2022, 03:30
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I am not convinced the WA lockdown means much to eastern states aviation activity. There are no border restrictions here in the engine room of the economy*, yet the terminals are pretty much deserted, and the few flights well under capacity. I am just starting a roster and will be lucky to do half of my pre covid hours.

*gratuitous piss take of WA
QF, which were planning on 100% of pre Covid domestic capacity and 30% of international capacity around now. When the Xmas/NY wave hit the east coast that went down to 70% of Domestic capacity, and 20% of International capacity for Feb/March. WA's extended closure only took that domestic number down from 70 to 60% for Feb/March.

For instance all Honolulu flights have been suspended until the end of March.
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