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Old 13th Sep 2021, 11:55
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ATAGI’s job is to recommend what’s best for the nation. Not for you as an individual.

To find out what’s best for you, as an individual, talk to your GP.

They might not give you a black and white answer, but they might be able to direct you to data… proper data, not the shit you are reading on facebook or PPRuNe or your preferred blogger.

Then you can decide.
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Old 13th Sep 2021, 22:00
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Originally Posted by Angle of Attack View Post
Yes ATAGI has recommended AZ to 4 weeks in certain states but it results in a less effective vaccine. But if your facing imminent exposure to COVID that is the best advice. It’s still in the high 80% for serious disease compared to mid 90% for the full 12 week gap, but it’s pretty much insignificant for healthy people.
Yes the advice changes on zones / areas example the official advice is

The Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) recommends the COVID-19 vaccine by Pfizer is preferred in adults aged under 60 years.

it then says later

Noting the current constrained supply of the Pfizer vaccine, ATAGI also recommends adults under the age of 60 who do not have immediate access to the Pfizer vaccine should consider the benefits and risks of earlier protection through the AstraZeneca vaccine.

This recommendation is in the context of an outbreak increasing the risk of people contracting COVID-19 – and hence the increased benefit vaccination provides.

But more the specific original question, atagi recommend a earlier but less effective protection if you are in an area suffering an outbreak currently

Given the heightened risk of people becoming infected, ATAGI’s advice in responding to such an outbreak of the COVID-19 delta strain is that anyone who has received a AstraZeneca vaccine more than 4 weeks ago should contact their vaccine provider to arrange their second dose as soon as possible.
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Old 15th Sep 2021, 01:44
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I am sure you have all already seen this but it is the first time I have.. shows just how low the traffic volumes are at Sydney airport. Scroll down for the graphs.

https://flightaware.com/live/airport/YSSY

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Old 17th Sep 2021, 17:40
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I think these screenshots are quite telling too... In conjunction with Foxxter's post above.



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Old 17th Sep 2021, 23:42
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Is it to early to start feeling a bit of optimism?
NSW, VIC, SA I think trialing home quarantine for some domestic travelers. SA/TAS both quietly announced they will open their borders around 80%ish without sensationalism.
Slightly calmer rhetoric from QLD CHO now that her favourite vaccine is available to all..
ACT and NSW approaching/have hit 80% first dose with still many young people booked for a first dose..
ScoMo appearing to support more international travel by November..

I feel like there is light at the end of the tunnel for our industry for the first time in months.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 07:34
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NSW has no choice but to open up mid November when 80% is reached. You can book flights to FiJi early December I think. I can almost guarantee you will be able to travel to London, LA and Fiji before you can visit rattle and rum in cairns and that other place WA I think it’s called.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 08:30
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Probably very much an outlier, but a 69 year old gentleman was released from Westmead hospital earlier this month, 399 days after being admitted with Covid

Are there still any doubters about being vaccinated / encouraging 'everyone' to become vaccinated?
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 08:42
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Hi layman,
yes it’s an outlier case but it’s generally true that COVID patients hang around in hospital beds and in particularly ICU way longer than anyone else,
this is the main problem the long term stays Covid patients need compared to almost anything else.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 11:37
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As of today 5km has extended to 10, 2 hours of exercise 4, skate board parks open, a few more at the picnic park if vaccinated, and the AMA are screaming this is going to overload the hospital system. Lets see how they react to Dan's press conference tomorrow when he brings out the Melways.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 15:20
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Originally Posted by Telfer86 View Post
Challenges in Singapore also, with 78% of total population fully vaxed- 97/98% of over 16s (can someone tell me how they did that ?)
An effective government, a collectivist mindset which places the importance of a harmonious, well functioning society above any individual rights, and no politicians spreading anti vax messages in the media.

They’re just a smarter, more mature society than Australia is.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 22:13
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
An effective government, a collectivist mindset which places the importance of a harmonious, well functioning society above any individual rights, and no politicians spreading anti vax messages in the media.

They’re just a smarter, more mature society than Australia is.
Well functioning that’s for sure. My ex colleagues at Scoot have been getting paid for the last 18 months. Meanwhile over here we’ve got executives fighting for bonuses while front line staff are selling homes, cars, essentially going bankrupt.

What an absolute cluster**** we are here.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 22:31
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
An effective government, a collectivist mindset which places the importance of a harmonious, well functioning society above any individual rights, and no politicians spreading anti vax messages in the media.

They’re just a smarter, more mature society than Australia is.
And don’t forget, they’re a police state - what the government says, goes. There is no free thought by the people. Normally that’s a shit way to live, but during a pandemic, it works!
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 23:02
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What sort of leader shuts down a public transport system to prevent people protesting?

I am embarrassed to live in a country that thinks this is okay.
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 23:38
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
What sort of leader shuts down a public transport system to prevent people protesting?.
I know it’s a fine line Icarus, but they shut it down to prevent ‘spreading’ 1st, protesting 2nd😒😒
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Old 18th Sep 2021, 23:43
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That's democracy, you know. Trampling on peoples right to peacefully protest the Government decision that makes their protesting "illegal"...

All from the State whose CHO declared that "Never again, would we get over 300 cases a day - not on my watch!" - and remember, this being the person who is making these Public Health Orders that restrict gatherings, funerals, weddings....
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 00:22
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Who would have thought that in these modern times Australia, a once proud nation for equality would now be leaders in oppression, discrimination & abuse human rights all because of corrupt politicians with their un-elected stooges behind the scenes out of control about a flu virus that has a very high rate of recovery! Unbelievable!
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 03:09
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere View Post
Word on the Vic “roadmap” is 90% vax for interstate travel.

Devastating if true as we’ll probability never get there. That’s not a roadmap but a dead end.

Might as well close down all tourism businesses now if that’s the case.
Heard on the radio retail will open up on 5th Nov that goes with interstate travel. That's according to the model still a bloody long way to go.
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 03:34
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Home run folks.

Like him or hate him. Vic has a plan.

What’s the plan up north and out west? That’s right. Sweet F All.

Lets get NSW/VIC up and running together that brings back a huge amount of Domestic workers back into the fray.
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 03:57
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post
Heard on the radio retail will open up on 5th Nov that goes with interstate travel. That's according to the model still a bloody long way to go.
That seems to be what is being suggested, interstate travel around the first week of November:

Victoria’s Roadmap: Summary of proposed restriction levels

There was a deleted post here seemingly talking about some new “90%” target, that seems to be a furphy, there’s no mention of it anywhere I can see.
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Old 19th Sep 2021, 04:04
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
That seems to be what is being suggested, interstate travel around the first week of November:

Victoria’s Roadmap: Summary of proposed restriction levels

There was a deleted post here seemingly talking about some new “90%” target, that seems to be a furphy, there’s no mention of it anywhere I can see.
Yeah, that was me sorry. Someone sent me a screenshot with some 90% details but I couldn’t (and can’t) verify it so I deleted it. As you said, looks like a furphy. Apologies.
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