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Old 5th Sep 2021, 09:18
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Well lets have a go at an overview. NSW doesn't have any say in opening any borders in any practical sense. The NSW plan is to end lockdowns and remove restrictions at 70%, how does that reduce infection numbers (rate) and what do you do with those that require critical care (ventilated icu) when that is already at capacity. (about a week or two away) How is that not a crisis in anyone's book and what do you think the rest of the nation will be thinking at 80% vaccinated in NSW only (first) at this stage.
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 10:16
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Lets just see what is actually happening once we reach 70%/80%, and especially what the ongoing vaccination pace is as we cross the thresholds. All premiers and their friends are busy putting words out there to try and stimulate as much demand as possible. Nothing they are saying now is a particularly a 'core promise', they may as well be threatening Year 8s into doing their homework. Their collective underlying fear will be a vaccination rate stalling somewhere near 80% cover, as that will leave us sinking back into the mud. In order to avoid that, and the political poison of a COVID peat fire that never ends, they will say whatever they think they need to right now.

I don''t think each individual states is really following that much of a different path in reality. Put any state leadership in any other states' shoes and you would get roughly the same response. There are bugger all true degrees of freedom, unless prepared to go balls-out loony to one end of the spectrum or the other.
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 10:31
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It's a balancing act between the need to take urgent action and get vaccinated with whatever you can get right now and creating a freedom day for which people will take quite literally.
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 10:50
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In countries with a high vaccination rate, once you get to about 80% coverage it starts to taper off quite noticeably. You never hit 100% due to people who can't or won't take the vaccine.

The first 80% are those that are keen and able for the jab, they get done as soon as they can.The remainder are less interested, live in remote locations or are medically unable.

Tasmania would be waiting a very long time if they want 90%.
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 11:05
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Fantastic work Anna these pics are now making global headlines of our state luncheon that went on today down at Tweed. Not to mention the live Sunrise interview during that week with people jumping the border live on TV in the backdrop.
Embarrassing. Iím actually embarrassed to be an Queenslander. Send me back to Singapore.

In fact Iíll even head back to the land of Gladys and Dan where we wonít live like Hermits come December unlike us up north.







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Old 5th Sep 2021, 11:16
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
"I don't think I can give a precise answer to that [the figure for reopening borders], but the higher the better, and the closer to 90 per cent that's achievable, the better," he said.

That comment would boil the blood of 90% of the PPRUNE echo chamber if made by a health minister in WA, Vic or QLD.





The article has a direct quote from the health minister in Tasmania. Not an analysis or an opinion piece, it is actually a direct report
The difference between the leaders of SA/NT/TAS and the likes of WA/QLD, is that the leaders of the smaller states donít feel the need to impart their infinite wisdom and arrogance on others. McGowan and Palachook will jump at any chance to get in front of the media and explain how the rest of the country is doing it wrong. I donít hear that from the others, they just seem more concerned with their own jurisdictions. Or perhaps it just doesnít get the same sort of air time.

Emperor MaoGowan and Queen P have made themselves targets and turned the rest of the country against them.
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 11:25
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer
The difference between the leaders of SA/NT/TAS and the likes of WA/QLD, is that the leaders of the smaller states donít feel the need to impart their infinite wisdom and arrogance on others. McGowan and Palachook will jump at any chance to get in front of the media and explain how the rest of the country is doing it wrong. I donít hear that from the others, they just seem more concerned with their own jurisdictions. Or perhaps it just doesnít get the same sort of air time.

Emperor MaoGowan and Queen P have made themselves targets and turned the rest of the country against them.
I canít speak the Premier of QLD, but I donít think Mark McGowan gives a flying f$$k about what the rest of Australia thinks about him.
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 11:52
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If I were a Premier, my order of priority in what people think would be, The greater majority of the people within the state I serve. The Cabinet, The State Party, Australians Generally, The leaders of other states, opposition leaders of other states. That then would put Scomo and Gladys at the very bottom of my list.
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
If I were a Premier, my order of priority in what people think would be, The greater majority of the people within the state I serve. The Cabinet, The State Party, Australians Generally, The leaders of other states, opposition leaders of other states. That then would put Scomo and Gladys at the very bottom of my list.
the first in your list are a fickle bunch. Sway with the breeze.
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Originally Posted by SOPS
I can’t speak the Premier of QLD, but I don’t think Mark McGowan gives a flying f$$k about what the rest of Australia thinks about him.
Well with only 2 opposition members in parliament barring any internal revolts McGowan can - as can Queen P - act as Hitlers (although maybe McGowan as the somewhat successful Hitler, Queen P as the comic relief Mussolini).

What WOULD be nice is that, after their terms of unbridled power, they could point to what that absolute power has allowed THEM, as THE PREMIERS, to achieve in improving - on a state level - the plight of the aboriginals which everyone talks about....but any real and tangible change/improvements all too hard, apparently. Now THAT could be leadership.

The chances of that happening? They are politicians after all.
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 12:10
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Originally Posted by chookcooker
the first in your list are a fickle bunch. Sway with the breeze.
Fickle or not, they are who I serve, a good leader does not sway, that doesn't mean cannot re-evaluate, adapt, change direction, but must be supported and always in the best interests of the greater majority.
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 12:20
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
Fickle or not, they are who I serve, a good leader does not sway, that doesn't mean cannot re-evaluate, adapt, change direction, but must be supported and always in the best interests of the greater majority.
Bull****.

With his absolute majority he is the potential of Hitler incarnate.
He doesn't have to be a leader - just a manipulator.

I wonder who his Goebbels is?

And the peasants must applaud.
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 12:26
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Originally Posted by galdian
Bull****.

With his absolute majority he is the potential of Hitler incarnate.
He doesn't have to be a leader - just a manipulator.

I wonder who his Goebbels is?

And the peasants must applaud.
At least you can be grateful to live in a country where you can have that opinion as twisted as it is.
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 12:43
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Originally Posted by galdian
Bull****.

With his absolute majority he is the potential of Hitler incarnate.
He doesn't have to be a leader - just a manipulator.

I wonder who his Goebbels is?

And the peasants must applaud.
Well it has finally happened.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 12:58
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Well learnt something - Godwin's Law, interesting article.

Sad the opinionated fail to read the "potential" in my comments.

Would one disagree that with such absolute majorities McGowan and Queen P COULDN't be Hitlers?
"Nah we'll avoid that part, hard to bull**** around that..." doesn't suit our narrative.

Just thought I'd try and breakup the incessant musing and wisdoms from one poster in particular that just goes on...and on...and on... and...

What do they say - go fishing, catch a whale...!
Cheers
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 13:32
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Godwin's Law,
When do we start to talk about this for the 20%.
Darwin Awards
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 14:21
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Originally Posted by galdian
Well learnt something - Godwin's Law, interesting article.

Sad the opinionated fail to read the "potential" in my comments.

Would one disagree that with such absolute majorities McGowan and Queen P COULDN't be Hitlers?
"Nah we'll avoid that part, hard to bull**** around that..." doesn't suit our narrative.

Just thought I'd try and breakup the incessant musing and wisdoms from one poster in particular that just goes on...and on...and on... and...

What do they say - go fishing, catch a whale...!
Cheers
Those who think that McGowan enjoys the majority that he has by way of some kind of uber mind manipulation and propaganda must be oblivious to the state of the opposition in WA.
It's all there to see. No secrets about it.

If they keep on the same track that they're on now they'll be lucky to have ANY seats in the next parliament.
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Old 5th Sep 2021, 15:18
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Those who think that McGowan enjoys the majority that he has by way of some kind of uber mind manipulation and propaganda must be oblivious to the state of the opposition in WA.
It's all there to see. No secrets about it.
Yes it is. All there to see. https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/...03-p58oof.html

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QLD are OK with ppl hugging an sharing a meal on a plastic border over the weekend, I would of thought all those disobedient QLDnrs be sent to quarantine for touching infected NSW ppl. Australia is sinking to a new low each day with how we treat each other.
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Just a historical point, the NSDAP (Nazi party) with Hitler as leader received 36% of total votes with a voter turn out of around 80% in the 1932 German Presidential elections. The German system did not elect outright leadership but all parties governed in coalition. Paul von Hindenburg won the Pesidential rights with 53% of the vote. Due to stability issues over the course of 1932/33 Hindenburg handed the position of Chancellor to Hitler and the NSDAP quickly moved to assume complete power and Hitler became a Dictator.

There were two Parliamentary elections that year, July and November, the NSDAP received 37% on 84% turn out in July and then 33% on 80% turnout in November.

McGowan won an election with 60% of the primary vote on 85% turnout, so it's not really a comparison to what the NSDAP did in 1932/33. Also McGowan has not sought to remove democratic process. Is he acting appropriately as the leader of WA? that's up to WA citizens to decide, they voted for him. Anyone outside WA screaming at McGowan, you might as well be screaming at Xi Jinping to change Chinese border policy.

** I just re-edited this original instead of continuing the thread on Nazi history....


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