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Old 30th Jun 2021, 22:19
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Indeed. Look at Israel too. Delta is spreading amongst a partially vaccinated society yet hospitalisations are down. Health officials are cautious with measured reintroduction of restrictions.

“We have reached a level of herd immunity in Israel that also provides cross-protection against the delta variant, and for that reason the virus does not spread as quickly, it doesn’t reach the most vulnerable population and it doesn’t cause a lot of hospitalizations,” Yoram Weiss, director of Jerusalem’s Hadassah University Medical Center, said Monday. “It is making all the difference.”

Is COVID now a non-lethal disease with vaccinations and your most vulnerable protected?

“At this point, I still don’t have a single patient,” Weiss said. “Yes, we need to remain vigilant. But we need to understand that this time we are confronting the virus in a different situation than we had before.”

However, back in Australia, the idiocy continues! Health Bureaucrats present like rock stars, many public servants and private sector enjoy working from home or their holiday houses and the number of unprofitable Aussies on the rise; ignorant that their grand kids may be burdened with crippling debt and taxes so they can get a gov handout and go further into debt.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 23:04
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Originally Posted by Green.Dot
Share it with those who need convincing. The vaccines are doing their job just nicely…
Read the comments on the article...unfortunately seems like there's still work to do!
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Old 1st Jul 2021, 00:21
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Originally Posted by Cirressna
Read the comments on the article...unfortunately seems like there's still work to do!
Basing any judgement of wider opinion on comments in an article (which can be subject to bots or trolls) is a poor idea but sort the comments by “Most Respected” rather than the default “Newest” and you’ll see the most respected replies all endorse the pro-vaccine position.
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Old 1st Jul 2021, 00:46
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Melbourne GP slams QLD CHO
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Old 1st Jul 2021, 00:51
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Originally Posted by Foxxster
I sometimes wonder if I am talking to 8 year olds with a learning disability .
That’ll be the MMR vax.

”Foxxster’s Law” - the longer an internet argument goes on the greater the chance your fitness to hold a pilot’s licence will be challenged.
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Old 1st Jul 2021, 01:51
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So Daniel Andrews and Scott Morrison in heated agreement. Go and see your GP and get their advice about AZ.
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Old 1st Jul 2021, 02:54
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You know that death rates from all Covid variants have gone down all around the western world because doctors have learned how to treat it better..we’re talking about steroids and vitamin D and monoclonals..not to mention the 2 drugs that shall not be mentioned but work very well.
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Old 1st Jul 2021, 03:00
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You know that death rates from all Covid variants have gone down all around the western world because doctors have learned how to treat it better..we’re talking about steroids and vitamin D and monoclonals..not to mention the 2 drugs that shall not be mentioned but work very well.
Please provide links from credible sources to back up those claims.

Not links that say those treatments CAN have an effect on death rates, I want sources that say those treatments are the MAIN or SOLE reason death rates have gone down, not vaccination as you have said.

Looking forward to your answer......
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Old 1st Jul 2021, 03:01
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Where’s the dude who said just eat garlic and you’ll be right?

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Old 1st Jul 2021, 03:02
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Originally Posted by mattyj
You know that death rates from all Covid variants have gone down all around the western world because doctors have learned how to treat it better..we’re talking about steroids and vitamin D and monoclonals..not to mention the 2 drugs that shall not be mentioned but work very well.
Spare me.. not this again. Just go and get vaccinated!!!
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Old 1st Jul 2021, 03:17
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Originally Posted by mattyj
You know that death rates from all Covid variants have gone down all around the western world because doctors have learned how to treat it better..we’re talking about steroids and vitamin D and monoclonals..not to mention the 2 drugs that shall not be mentioned but work very well.
And also because a large section of the most vulnerable group within the Western populations are now dead.
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Old 1st Jul 2021, 03:23
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Originally Posted by cloudsurfng
Where’s the dude who said just eat garlic and you’ll be right?
I think he’s now immortal.
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Old 1st Jul 2021, 04:45
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Had a brain dead moron remark how the survivability of this virus is increasing. Wouldn’t accept that it had to do with vaccination rates increasing. Some people literally cannot put two and two together.
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Old 1st Jul 2021, 05:04
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Well deaths in Australia have dropped off a cliff and the vaccination level is 4.5 percent..it’s a stretch to claim that is the reason
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Old 1st Jul 2021, 05:22
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Originally Posted by mattyj
Well deaths in Australia have dropped off a cliff and the vaccination level is 4.5 percent..it’s a stretch to claim that is the reason
Well many of the first lot, the ones with a high fatality rate, were in aged care.
Whereas most of the current crop of infectees seem to be regular gym enthusiasts so maybe it's that.............or the steroids.
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Old 1st Jul 2021, 07:33
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it’s pretty easy to claim that the worldwide death rate was well on the decline before the vaccination rate picked up..except maybe Israel and the UK..most countries in OurWorldInData show a marked decline in deaths by mid March at which point most countries in the graph hadn’t passed 20% with only one dose:



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Old 1st Jul 2021, 09:05
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Originally Posted by mattyj
it’s pretty easy to claim that the worldwide death rate was well on the decline before the vaccination rate picked up..except maybe Israel and the UK..most countries in OurWorldInData show a marked decline in deaths by mid March at which point most countries in the graph hadn’t passed 20% with only one dose:
Most of those nations were in lockdown until mid March, plus the natural curve of a viral illness will decrease post the middle of winter.

The first dose vaccinations at 10-20% of the population were prioritised for the most vulnerable groups, the elderly. The percentage of over 65s in those nations is about 15-20%, so a big majority of the vulnerable in those nations would have gotten a first dose by mid March, so would've had a good level of protection and decreased the death rate.

But the main point is look at a comparison between vaccinated and unvaccinated in the same demographics at the same time. And there's no debate:

Almost All U.S. COVID-19 Deaths Now in the Unvaccinated



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Old 1st Jul 2021, 10:13
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It has just been stated that since this began.. there have been 51000 people through HQ in WA alone. Some have been through HQ as many as 8 times!!! This rubbish has to stop. You come in, you stay in. You leave now, you don’t come back. And that included ‘ sports people’ and such.
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Old 1st Jul 2021, 10:52
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How many of those are interstate travellers though, as opposed to international? Particularly as McGoose is quite fond of his hard - sorry, "Controlled interstate" - border that requires Australian citizens to quarantine just to go see their grandparents because they happen to live in the same state as someone who sneezed a thousand miles away...

But I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment. You leave - you stay the phuck gone. You come in, you ain't going back out unless you refer to part 1.

There's more people wanting to come home now than there were at the start of the pandemic! WTF is up with that?!?
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Old 1st Jul 2021, 11:48
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To be clear.. these are International arrivals. Some people have been in and out 8 times. It’s BS.
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