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Old 12th Jun 2021, 06:56
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Lockdown stringency index in OECD countries:

NZ 22.2, so despite zero Covid for a long time, still not completely free.
UK 62.5
Australia 74.5, only Germany and Chile have higher ratings.

Still happy with the way this is being handled?
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Old 12th Jun 2021, 08:53
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39
Lockdown stringency index in OECD countries:

NZ 22.2, so despite zero Covid for a long time, still not completely free.
UK 62.5
Australia 74.5, only Germany and Chile have higher ratings.

Still happy with the way this is being handled?
Its pathetic isn’t it? Some sap will say “but that’s why we’ve done so well!!!”
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Old 12th Jun 2021, 10:36
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39
Lockdown stringency index in OECD countries:

NZ 22.2, so despite zero Covid for a long time, still not completely free.
UK 62.5
Australia 74.5, only Germany and Chile have higher ratings.

Still happy with the way this is being handled?
What does this mean??
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Old 12th Jun 2021, 11:34
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Lockdown stringency index
Sounds like a new industry we need to get into on the ground floor.
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Old 12th Jun 2021, 20:46
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
Its pathetic isn’t it? Some sap will say “but that’s why we’ve done so well!!!”
Build purpose built quarantine facilities and speed up vaccinations. That's all we need to do.
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 06:43
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
Build purpose built quarantine facilities and speed up vaccinations. That's all we need to do.
And if you vaccinated quicker, you could get away without the purpose built facilities too…
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 07:34
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
And if you vaccinated quicker, you could get away without the purpose built facilities too…
Hear, Hear! Emphatically seconded!
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 10:52
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And if you vaccinated quicker, you could get away without the purpose built facilities too…
I just don't understand why the government is dragging their feet. Surely you'd get more votes compared to using some stockholm syndrome fear campaign
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 10:58
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
I just don't understand why the government is dragging their feet. Surely you'd get more votes compared to using some stockholm syndrome fear campaign
You would think so. On the bright side - the vaccination rates seem to be trending in the right direction.

We may be mostly done by end of the year yet.
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 11:39
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
I just don't understand why the government is dragging their feet. Surely you'd get more votes compared to using some stockholm syndrome fear campaign
Supply of Pfizer vaccines in big numbers don’t come online for another couple of months.
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 23:44
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Did any country actually close their borders?..or were they open with restrictions ?..
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 23:54
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Originally Posted by evansb
Did any country actually close their borders?..or were they open with restrictions ?..
https://covidborderaccountability.orghttps://covidborderaccountability.org/



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Old 14th Jun 2021, 00:48
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The following research from the Burnet Institute is pretty sobering reading.

https://burnet.edu.au/news/1450_thou...odelling_shows

We found that if the virus enters the community when 60 per cent vaccine coverage has been reached and is left unchecked, we could see 4,885 deaths in Victoria within a year if no public health responses are introduced,” Dr Scott said.
Even with vaccine coverage at a highly unlikely 95%, in Victoria

the number of deaths reduces to 1346.​​​​​​
There are, of course, certain underlying assumptions to the modelling regarding efficacy and variant transmissibility, which seem quite reasonable.

In other words, without continued restrictions, based on people's stated willingness to vaccinate, we're looking at 5000 deaths a year in Victoria alone. Such an outcome would clearly be unacceptable in the current climate. Australia has boxed itself in to a corner. In the US which had 4000 deaths a day, the current state of play of 400ish a day is seen as a triumph. In Australia, 10 a day would be seen as disastrous. I can't see a way out of this, frankly, that would be acceptable to our politicians and the broader public, the bulk of whom don't seem to care if we shut the nation off for ever.
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Old 14th Jun 2021, 01:57
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The following research from the Burnet Institute is pretty sobering reading.
yeah because all their modelling on impacts so far have been super accurate

The only thing that's sobering is people continuing to swallow this crap and not seeing the repeating pattern that they continue to use whatever modelling they want to justify escalating levels of control.

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Old 14th Jun 2021, 02:17
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere
Australia has boxed itself in to a corner. In the US which had 4000 deaths a day, the current state of play of 400ish a day is seen as a triumph. In Australia, 10 a day would be seen as disastrous. I can't see a way out of this, frankly, that would be acceptable to our politicians and the broader public, the bulk of whom don't seem to care if we shut the nation off for ever.
10 a day..? Mate, ONE death a day would see the nation in meltdown. The equivalent in the USA would be 13 deaths per day.

Completely insane.

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Old 14th Jun 2021, 07:03
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Originally Posted by kingRB
yeah because all their modelling on impacts so far have been super accurate

The only thing that's sobering is people continuing to swallow this crap and not seeing the repeating pattern that they continue to use whatever modelling they want to justify escalating levels of control.
indeed, each new variant is going to cause widespread devastation. Until it doesn’t. Then wait for the next variant and spread the same message.
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Old 14th Jun 2021, 07:04
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Originally Posted by Potsie Weber
Making the penalties massive is one effective deterrent. Poaching abalone, raiding cray pots, exceeding catch limits etc, the potential fines are huge along with having your boat confiscated. It’s hard to police, so fisheries make the fines so large that the fine itself is enough to limit people committing the offence, even if the risk of getting caught is quite small.
Yet, the death penalty in many countries for either murder or drug trafficking does not act as any deterrent at all to murder or people trafficking or peddling illicit drugs.
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Old 14th Jun 2021, 07:58
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From the Burnet modelling :

" The scenarios do not currently include any major public health response to gain control of outbreaks. On detection of the first case, the model assumes symptomatic testing increases (isolation of positive cases continues), masks become recommended but not mandatory, and contact tracing continues but only up to 250 diagnoses per day. Hence the projections represent hypothetical near-worst-case scenarios.

Hypothetical

Near Worst Case

Scenarios
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Old 14th Jun 2021, 11:11
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Originally Posted by Foxxster
people on this forum are a bit slow.
Yeah but you write so fast!
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Old 14th Jun 2021, 12:04
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I was taking to people at work today. These are people I consider intelligent and sane. The number of them them that told me they would not get the vaccine amazed me. The number that thought this whole thing has been made up, shocked me. These are people I call my friends, and think are on a normal path

What they all said.. if the border was never opened again, they would be very happy.
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