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Old 11th Jun 2021, 03:32
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Originally Posted by Buster Hyman View Post
Could’ve sworn that I’ve seen bridges in Sydney.
Haha, me too.

Makes me laugh that I innocently posted a reference to a segment on a news program (although I use that term lightly with Sky) by a demographic expert and every pretend expert on this forum has unleashed their mob-wisdom to discredit it without even realising what the point the guy was making was.

YES, people cross from one place to another in Sydney, but the ENTIRE BLOODY POPULATION doesn't do it on a daily basis. When you have a clump of suburbs in Melbourne that have an outbreak, there is no bridge or harbour or natural barrier, every suburb almost without exception borders (often on the other side of the street) with the next suburb. Given that not all 100% of people in Sydney drive to every other suburb separated from their region by a river or bridge every single day, it's OBVIOUS that sunken rivers and other barriers provide 'some' separation that does not exist in most other states, especially Victoria.

Precisely because of the bridge that you refer to this guy's position does have some merit, whether all the self-appointed geniuses on here agree with it or not. There is a physical/topographical difference between Sydney and Melbourne.
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Old 11th Jun 2021, 03:41
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Originally Posted by AerialPerspective View Post
What the hell are you on about? We were talking about the QLD Premier opting for a vaccine on the basis she needed to be at the Olympics. What the hell has that got to do with the NSW Premier?

people on this forum are a bit slow.

the point was made about the time required between the two vaccines for AstraZeneca and Pfizer. Pfizer is shorter so was trying to be used as a lame reason why the chook could only take that one as she is off to Japan. My response was that the nsw premier managed to get her first AstraZeneca vaccine more than three months ago and had her second shot about ten days ago now. So the chook’s pathetic excuses, like a school child saying the dog ate their homework, are not valid.

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Old 11th Jun 2021, 03:45
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Originally Posted by AerialPerspective View Post
Haha, me too.

Makes me laugh that I innocently posted a reference to a segment on a news program (although I use that term lightly with Sky) by a demographic expert and every pretend expert on this forum has unleashed their mob-wisdom to discredit it without even realising what the point the guy was making was.

YES, people cross from one place to another in Sydney, but the ENTIRE BLOODY POPULATION doesn't do it on a daily basis. When you have a clump of suburbs in Melbourne that have an outbreak, there is no bridge or harbour or natural barrier, every suburb almost without exception borders (often on the other side of the street) with the next suburb. Given that not all 100% of people in Sydney drive to every other suburb separated from their region by a river or bridge every single day, it's OBVIOUS that sunken rivers and other barriers provide 'some' separation that does not exist in most other states, especially Victoria.

Precisely because of the bridge that you refer to this guy's position does have some merit, whether all the self-appointed geniuses on here agree with it or not. There is a physical/topographical difference between Sydney and Melbourne.
but provided absolutely no evidence, despite putting himself out there as an expert.

the latest outbreak in Melbourne actually contradicts his thoughts. It is confined to the north west of Melbourne, not spreading all over as he predicts. It is showing Sydney characteristics according to him, staying in one geographic area. The man was talking crap.

as for sydney , we have people travelling daily from the central coast, the blue mountains, Wollongong to the all areas of Sydney. Lot of tradies live on the central coast. No not 100% of people travel to every other suburb but as I stated our average commute length is the same as Melbourne and yes people do travel across the city regularly for shopping, sporting events,work etc etc.

but someone posted here that they travel across Melbourne to go to a restaurant but people in Sydney would never do that. So I guess that settles it. The so called expert must be right. Oh and we have a bridge, ooooh
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Old 11th Jun 2021, 03:52
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Originally Posted by Foxxster View Post
but provided absolutely no evidence, despite putting himself out there as an expert.

as for sydney , we have people travelling daily from the central coast, the blue mountains, Wollongong to the all areas of Sydney. Lot of tradies live on the central coast. No not 100% of people travel to every other suburb but as I stated our average commute length is the same as Melbourne and yes people do travel across the city regularly for shopping, sporting events,work etc etc.

but someone posted here that they travel across Melbourne to go to a restaurant but people in Sydney would never do that. So I guess that settles it. The so called expert must be right.
No, I said when I LIVED IN SYDNEY, I would think twice about meeting someone in Bondi (from Sutherland Shire) for coffee or a meal but I wouldn't think twice in Melbourne. Sydney's road are a bloody disgrace and always have been, traffic congestion is a magnitude greater than Melbourne. I had lots of friends when I was in Sydney who would say "Do we have to go that far". Same is not the case in Melbourne.

You still don't get the point. You yourself have offered no evidence of your counter-claim either. Anecdotal tales about tradies and the like are not evidence.

What exactly is your expertise? Are you one of those people who just steamrolls over anything anyone else says because your opinion is right. Isn't it funny that Tasmania and various islands off the coast of Australia have not had any major outbreaks, even though people go to and from them every day - gee, must be some sort of natural barrier involved.......

Why the hell do you think Regional Victoria hasn't been locked down - because there is a lot of unpopulated areas between it and metropolitan Melbourne, people commute every day but the two groups tend to shop and socialize locally. Is that so hard to understand....
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Old 11th Jun 2021, 06:56
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Originally Posted by AerialPerspective View Post
The point about armed guards is pathetic. Unless you place guards in a line along the entire border, it's not going to stop someone determined to break the rules. Also, we may be on the road to it but we're not yet a police state.
Making the penalties massive is one effective deterrent. Poaching abalone, raiding cray pots, exceeding catch limits etc, the potential fines are huge along with having your boat confiscated. It’s hard to police, so fisheries make the fines so large that the fine itself is enough to limit people committing the offence, even if the risk of getting caught is quite small.
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Old 12th Jun 2021, 06:56
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Lockdown stringency index in OECD countries:

NZ 22.2, so despite zero Covid for a long time, still not completely free.
UK 62.5
Australia 74.5, only Germany and Chile have higher ratings.

Still happy with the way this is being handled?
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Old 12th Jun 2021, 08:53
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 View Post
Lockdown stringency index in OECD countries:

NZ 22.2, so despite zero Covid for a long time, still not completely free.
UK 62.5
Australia 74.5, only Germany and Chile have higher ratings.

Still happy with the way this is being handled?
Its pathetic isn’t it? Some sap will say “but that’s why we’ve done so well!!!”
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Old 12th Jun 2021, 10:36
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 View Post
Lockdown stringency index in OECD countries:

NZ 22.2, so despite zero Covid for a long time, still not completely free.
UK 62.5
Australia 74.5, only Germany and Chile have higher ratings.

Still happy with the way this is being handled?
What does this mean??
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Old 12th Jun 2021, 11:34
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Lockdown stringency index
Sounds like a new industry we need to get into on the ground floor.
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Old 12th Jun 2021, 20:46
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist View Post
Its pathetic isn’t it? Some sap will say “but that’s why we’ve done so well!!!”
Build purpose built quarantine facilities and speed up vaccinations. That's all we need to do.
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 06:43
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Originally Posted by Ladloy View Post
Build purpose built quarantine facilities and speed up vaccinations. That's all we need to do.
And if you vaccinated quicker, you could get away without the purpose built facilities too…
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 07:34
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist View Post
And if you vaccinated quicker, you could get away without the purpose built facilities too…
Hear, Hear! Emphatically seconded!
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 10:52
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist View Post
And if you vaccinated quicker, you could get away without the purpose built facilities too…
I just don't understand why the government is dragging their feet. Surely you'd get more votes compared to using some stockholm syndrome fear campaign
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 10:58
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Originally Posted by Ladloy View Post
I just don't understand why the government is dragging their feet. Surely you'd get more votes compared to using some stockholm syndrome fear campaign
You would think so. On the bright side - the vaccination rates seem to be trending in the right direction.

We may be mostly done by end of the year yet.
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 11:39
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Originally Posted by Ladloy View Post
I just don't understand why the government is dragging their feet. Surely you'd get more votes compared to using some stockholm syndrome fear campaign
Supply of Pfizer vaccines in big numbers don’t come online for another couple of months.
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 23:44
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Did any country actually close their borders?..or were they open with restrictions ?..
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Old 13th Jun 2021, 23:54
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Did any country actually close their borders?..or were they open with restrictions ?..
https://covidborderaccountability.orghttps://covidborderaccountability.org/



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Old 14th Jun 2021, 00:48
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The following research from the Burnet Institute is pretty sobering reading.

https://burnet.edu.au/news/1450_thou...odelling_shows

We found that if the virus enters the community when 60 per cent vaccine coverage has been reached and is left unchecked, we could see 4,885 deaths in Victoria within a year if no public health responses are introduced,” Dr Scott said.
Even with vaccine coverage at a highly unlikely 95%, in Victoria

the number of deaths reduces to 1346.​​​​​​
There are, of course, certain underlying assumptions to the modelling regarding efficacy and variant transmissibility, which seem quite reasonable.

In other words, without continued restrictions, based on people's stated willingness to vaccinate, we're looking at 5000 deaths a year in Victoria alone. Such an outcome would clearly be unacceptable in the current climate. Australia has boxed itself in to a corner. In the US which had 4000 deaths a day, the current state of play of 400ish a day is seen as a triumph. In Australia, 10 a day would be seen as disastrous. I can't see a way out of this, frankly, that would be acceptable to our politicians and the broader public, the bulk of whom don't seem to care if we shut the nation off for ever.
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Old 14th Jun 2021, 01:57
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere View Post
The following research from the Burnet Institute is pretty sobering reading.
yeah because all their modelling on impacts so far have been super accurate

The only thing that's sobering is people continuing to swallow this crap and not seeing the repeating pattern that they continue to use whatever modelling they want to justify escalating levels of control.

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Old 14th Jun 2021, 02:17
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere View Post
Australia has boxed itself in to a corner. In the US which had 4000 deaths a day, the current state of play of 400ish a day is seen as a triumph. In Australia, 10 a day would be seen as disastrous. I can't see a way out of this, frankly, that would be acceptable to our politicians and the broader public, the bulk of whom don't seem to care if we shut the nation off for ever.
10 a day..? Mate, ONE death a day would see the nation in meltdown. The equivalent in the USA would be 13 deaths per day.

Completely insane.

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