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Old 5th May 2021, 01:02
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Originally Posted by Fonz121 View Post
How's Australia and it's elimination policy going to deal with this?
At some point in the future, the borders will be open, and people will be able to leave and return with no quarantine requirements. I used to say that the trick was figuring out when that point would be, but now I’m not so sure. Now I think that the trick is to convince people that this point actually exists.

In my secondary employment I work with people who have all their friends and relatives within 100km, who “went to Queensland once” and “didn’t like it”. They want the borders closed, and I quote: “forever, keep them shut, no one out or in until the virus has gone”. If anyone thinks we are going to get 100% consensus on the border opening they’re deluded.

Once everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated in this country, the government needs show some leadership and start looking at a date for a gradual reopening.

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Old 5th May 2021, 02:36
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Originally Posted by ruprecht View Post
At some point in the future, the borders will be open, and people will be able to leave and return with no quarantine requirements. I used to say that the trick was figuring out when that point would be, but now I’m not so sure. Now I think that the trick is to convince people that this point actually exists.

In my secondary employment I work with people who have all their friends and relatives within 100km, who “went to Queensland once” and “didn’t like it”. They want the borders closed, and I quote: “forever, keep them shut, no one out or in until the virus has gone”. If anyone thinks we are going to get 100% consensus on the border opening they’re deluded.

Once everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated in this country, the government needs show some leadership and start looking at a date for a gradual reopening.
If you actually wade through the comments of Jill and Joe Public re the India ban, they are largely very supportive of the government's ban. WA and QLD and to a lesser extent TAS and NT won state/territory elections based on locking out "others". Qld Premier "Qld hospitals are for Qlders". I would argue it is highly unlikely that ScoMo would seek to take this step in opening the border in an election year. Vaccine hesitancy appears rife in some sectors, but anecdotally where the virus impacted last year the most (VIC), people are more prepared to take the "risk" of the vaccine. Why the govt doesn't spend $50M rolling out a massive ad campaign and use carrot and stick incentives I don't know...
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Old 5th May 2021, 03:21
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A local case just identified in Sydney, unknown source at this stage - not good.
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Old 5th May 2021, 07:26
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Yes, ONE CASE, let’s all panic now and kill every small business selling coffees and meals...
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Old 5th May 2021, 09:07
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Yes, ONE CASE, let’s all panic now and kill every small business selling coffees and meals...
how about being adult about it and hope that they can find the origin.

This is why Kiwis didn't want the border open
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Old 5th May 2021, 09:48
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It’s in the community everywhere. Always has been.

people just can’t be [email protected]&ed getting tested anymore, complacency and just generally being completely over it.

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Old 5th May 2021, 21:45
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Originally Posted by Chris2303 View Post
how about being adult about it and hope that they can find the origin.

This is why Kiwis didn't want the border open
You shouldn’t throw stones when you live in a glass house. Double standards New Zealand style.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...7EPZHIpN66gxfA

The Kiwi government doesn’t believe it necessary to quarantine its own crew upon return from an international flight outside the bubble. Are the Tongans or Cook Islanders happy with the gaping hole in the New Zealand quarantine wall? This matter now has the attention of both state and federal governments in Australia. This could easily bring the whole eradication policy tumbling down. It will only take one Kiwi crew member to import the virus and the inadequacy of the current policy will be revealed. What if an infectious aircrew member lives with an essential worker? Nurse or Doctor? Aged care worker? Another pilot or F/A that is flying the bubble? This would be all well and good if the general population is vaccinated but it isn’t. Fingers crossed🤞, you’re going to need it.
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Old 5th May 2021, 23:43
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Originally Posted by jrfsp View Post
A local case just identified in Sydney, unknown source at this stage - not good.
McGowan is already looking at closing the WA Border to NSW subject to 'Medical Advice'
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Old 6th May 2021, 00:28
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Originally Posted by Agent_86 View Post
McGowan is already looking at closing the WA Border to NSW subject to 'Medical Advice'
Of course he is. It’s the perfect opportunity to reframe COVID as an external threat, caused by those filthy others on the eastern side of the border. It will also suit to divert attention from WAs own failures in the last few weeks and bring back some of the glow of His Almighty Luminous Radiance of WA, when some may have perhaps recently started to question his self avowed brilliance.
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Old 6th May 2021, 00:49
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This was just released this morning:

Australians hoping international travel will return to normal next year have been dealt a blow, as the Federal Government warns borders are unlikely to reopen until the end of 2022 at least.

Finance Minister Simon Birmingham said despite the rollout of the vaccine, global outbreaks and new mutant strains, such as those in India, left the world facing as much uncertainty as ever.

He said this meant Australia’s international borders– which have largely locked Australians in since March 2020 – would likely remain shut well into next year.

“We recognise that if Australians want to be kept safe and secure … and given uncertainties that exist not just in the speed of the vaccine rollout but also the extent of its effectiveness to different variants of COVID, the duration of its longevity and effectiveness, these are all considerations that mean we won’t be seeing borders flung open at the start of next year with great ease,”
Finance Minister Simon Birmingham says no overseas travel until later in 2022
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Old 6th May 2021, 01:40
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Im not surprised....the UK has already ordered boosters for the new variants for Sept this year....and yet here the majority of the population will still be unvaccinated by then

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Old 6th May 2021, 05:34
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I say again, are Aussies really putting up with this?

A border closure until 1 Jan 2023 at least. Wow.. it baffles belief. Meanwhile the rest of the world will return to some semblance of normality.
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Old 6th May 2021, 05:54
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 View Post
I say again, are Aussies really putting up with this?

A border closure until 1 Jan 2023 at least. Wow.. it baffles belief. Meanwhile the rest of the world will return to some semblance of normality.
Im going to say.. let’s wait and see how well the UK experiment with international travel goes...
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Old 6th May 2021, 06:06
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/trave...dney-suspended

SYD - NZ quarantine free flights suspended
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Old 6th May 2021, 06:11
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
Im going to say.. let’s wait and see how well the UK experiment with international travel goes...
Considering over 50m vaccines have now been given out and everyone must be tested at least 3 times for every overseas trip, probably better than last year. And to low risk destinations only are quarantine free.

Why is the same response always returned whenever the Australian approach is questioned... “but but but UK...” And I’m definitely no fan of Boris.

Believe it or not, if borders are not reopened, pilots do not have jobs. Do you seriously think airlines should be continuing to pay your wages with no one in the back?

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Old 6th May 2021, 11:34
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 View Post
Considering over 50m vaccines have now been given out and everyone must be tested at least 3 times for every overseas trip, probably better than last year. And to low risk destinations only are quarantine free.

Why is the same response always returned whenever the Australian approach is questioned... “but but but UK...” And I’m definitely no fan of Boris.

Believe it or not, if borders are not reopened, pilots do not have jobs. Do you seriously think airlines should be continuing to pay your wages with no one in the back?
Um, no one is paying my salary. I’m currently SU. The U stands for unpaid.
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Old 6th May 2021, 11:36
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And to think, at the beginning of all of this, restrictions were to 'flatten the curve'.
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Old 6th May 2021, 12:57
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Originally Posted by Oriana View Post
And to think, at the beginning of all of this, restrictions were to 'flatten the curve'.
Clearly it doesn't work.
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Old 6th May 2021, 21:01
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I say again, are Aussies really putting up with this?

A border closure until 1 Jan 2023 at least. Wow.. it baffles belief. Meanwhile the rest of the world will return to some semblance of normality.
Yes, and Dr Dre will be along soon to give you the chicken little story on COVID shortly. However, Australia has been largely unaffected by COVID in the way that the rest of the world has, and so flattening the curve has drifted into eradication and now cities are locked down for a single case. Last month we were wearing masks in Cairns and Mount Isa for cases in Brisbane (look at your atlas).

However, the main reason for borders remaining closed so long is the rather lethargic vaccine roll out which seems to consist of jabbing a few arms and knocking off for a beer each day, mixed with anyone in Australia who walked past someone who had spoken to someone that had been given the AZ jab having blood clots.
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Old 6th May 2021, 21:39
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 View Post
I say again, are Aussies really putting up with this?

A border closure until 1 Jan 2023 at least. Wow.. it baffles belief. Meanwhile the rest of the world will return to some semblance of normality.
India is normal i take it?
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