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Old 27th Apr 2021, 04:58
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All direct flights from India to Australia suspended for 2.5 weeks. With places like Singapore and the ME also suspending flights from India this effectively cuts off India from Australia:

All flights to India paused, PM announces - ABC News
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 05:39
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Originally Posted by kiwi grey
I doubt that very much.
You are talking about building a small township for a thousand or more transients* in quarantine, plus permanent staff.
Even assuming the Commonwealth decided to simply ignore any requirement for planning permissions, consultations with stakeholders, environmental impact statement, etc - and I think that would be political suicide - you still have to manage the infrastructure issues: roading, electricity, potable water and sewage treatment & disposal. Roading is almost trivial.
The Commonwealth will have to
  • negotiate with a lines company to add a point load of some megawatts into a network probably designed to handle a farm every kilometre or so, and then get them to design and build it.
  • find a source of potable water, negotiate a supply agreement with the owner and design & build a pipeline to your camp site, probably build an on-site reservoir to give a surge/emergency/firefighting supply too or design and build a complete water supply and treatment system.
  • conceptualise, then design and build, a sewage/wastewater treatment plant and outfall.
These are not off-the-shelf purchases, they take months and months and gobs of money to do.
And if the Commonwealth were to go through the normal planning processes, add at least another three to six months.

Sorry, this is at least a twelve to eighteen months' project.

* If you are only going to take one planeload a week - A330 size, empty middle seats, say 150 SOB - and working on a sixteen day cycle (reception day, fourteen days quarantine, cleaning day) - you are going to need four hundred to four hundred and fifty beds. A thousand beds only gets you two flights a week, occasionally three. Daily flights, you're looking at two to two and a half thousand beds.


12-18 months? John Wagner does not agree;

Wagner Corporation chairman John Wagner said the first 500 beds could be built in as little as five to six weeks and his family-owned firm has put a ďcomprehensive and commonsenseĒ proposal on the table which would provide a safe alternative to hotel quarantine
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...04-p56zn3.html

this bloke built an airport, in Australia, in spite of all our bureaucratic and regulatory madness, in record time. It CAN be done, if thereís a will to do it.




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Old 27th Apr 2021, 08:28
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Originally Posted by Tucknroll
The politicians are following the best guidance from medical professionals. Doctors arenít telling us how to fly planes, maybe we should stick to our wheelhouses. Letís let the people who understand the intricacies of a global viral pandemic advise our nationís leaders. Australia is the envy of the world for a reason.
I tend to agree with your comments,the doctors & cho's are not fools.
Pilots(of which im not 1) have studied long & hard & do a great job & of course now with the industry running on a day to day basis they are becoming frustrated at ever changing rules etc however if the country was opened up & this spread like wildfire(look at india),we could end up looking to the very people who are being criticised for a quick answer & very likely there wont be one.
I heard a sport commentator the other day make a statement about umpires & the constant criticism of them,he said 'lets have a footy game without umpires & see how that goes'!
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 08:29
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Originally Posted by Tucknroll
I’ve read the bios, I’ve heard their advice. It all sounds pretty reasonable. The reason that there is variation state to state is because the resources and demographics of each state vary wildly.

So, scepticaloptimist you seem to be sharing some really great insights into the management of COVID-19. Care to give us a quick run down of your qualifications to do so? Where did you study medicine and virology? Or your MPH? Or are you one of these great people who have ‘educated themselves’ and now know more in one years’ worth of light internet reading than the world’s leading authorities on the subject?
Nope, wasn’t sharing insights into the management at all. My qualifications aren’t relevant, nor did I form any opinions based on light reading.

The actual experts in the field of disease management are however close friends, and know most of the CHOs personally. It’s their anecdotes and tales that prompted my comments.

And I repeat, if you heard the stories, you wouldn’t be trotting out the line you did about “following best medical guidance” - which was what I was responding to.
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 08:58
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Go on then, tell us the stories.
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 09:59
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The modeling of the trajectory of the Indian pandemic must be frightening. That is why the flights are cancelled.
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 10:41
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But if youíre a cricketer or celebrity, Iím sure Iwillbealrightjack...
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 12:07
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Go on then, tell us the stories.
Mate, if I knew you, over a quiet ale Iíd love to!
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 00:11
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Originally Posted by ExtraShot
12-18 months? John Wagner does not agree;



https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...04-p56zn3.html

this bloke built an airport, in Australia, in spite of all our bureaucratic and regulatory madness, in record time. It CAN be done, if thereís a will to do it.
Excellent point ExtraShot and to the best of my knowledge the government hasn't even had the decency to give him an answer one way or the other but happy to be corrected on this.

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Old 28th Apr 2021, 04:29
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Originally Posted by dysslexicgod
The modeling of the trajectory of the Indian pandemic must be frightening. That is why the flights are cancelled.
Funnily enough the trajectory and deaths were very similar in the US but we never cut flights off from there.
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 04:40
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
Funnily enough the trajectory and deaths were very similar in the US but we never cut flights off from there.
Trajectory in the US was never as bad. Indiaís daily caseload has gone 6x in a month and no sign of slowing down. 1.6m tests yesterday and 360k cases.
Thatís ignoring the fact that Indiaís numbers would massively underestimate the true extent of the pandemic.
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 05:12
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Originally Posted by patty50
Trajectory in the US was never as bad. India’s daily caseload has gone 6x in a month and no sign of slowing down. 1.6m tests yesterday and 360k cases.
That’s ignoring the fact that India’s numbers would massively underestimate the true extent of the pandemic.
It was that bad and the UK was even worse. If you go buy cases and deaths per million India is not even close. Not to mention this.
Per capita is more important when talking about this. If you were to talk down the street what are the chances of someone having it. Peak US and UK you'd still have a better chance of getting COVID there than India currently.
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 05:48
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I think the under reporting in India (and among other developing countries) far exceeds places like the USA and UK however.
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 13:43
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Excellent point ExtraShot and to the best of my knowledge the government hasn't even had the decency to give him an answer one way or the other but happy to be corrected on this.
Last was that Qld Govt put the proposal to the Feds with no supporting documentation and are now crying that they have not had an answer.
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 00:24
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Well here we go again! 2 travelers from PNG were able to mingle with geeen zone passengers, QLD said the risk was low as they tested negative then wholla all of a sudden one of the two test positive. These travelers were every where in BBN terminal. Snap lock down 3 days will fix it tho.
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 00:31
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Well here we go again! 2 travelers from PNG were able to mingle with geeen zone passengers, QLD said the risk was low as they tested negative then wholla all of a sudden one of the two test positive. These travelers were every where in BBN terminal. Snap lock down 3 days will fix it tho.
Well that is one way to kill off any demand in Trans-Tasman flying as there were three green zone flights to NZ affected by that event.

A lot of kiwis wonít be travelling purely because they see things like this happening and instantly assume the whole of Australia is just full of incompetents. (Even when their own government are just as incompetent).
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 01:58
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I wouldnt be surprised if they direct people on the two NZ bound flights into two weeks of isolation - like the recent case on the PER-MEL flight. What a f*@k-up.
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 03:34
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The Tasman bubble needs to be terminated immediately in order to resolve the stark difference in aircrew quarantine rules. If this isn’t a large hole in the cheese then I don’t know what is. 2 days quarantine for New Zealand crew. 14 days for Australian crew. What a fu*ing joke. What’s 2 days and a test going to do when you could be infected but not infectious. It’s generally recognised for the virus to manifest itself takes about 5 days on average. Either New Zealand or Australia is out on a limb here. The Tasman bubble is far from secure. Shut it down until it’s fixed. How the hell was this over looked reeks of incompetence or most probably, political indifference. Any Australian travelling to New Zealand could be exposed easily via lose quarantine rules.

It’s interesting that our Kiwi colleagues haven’t refuted the facts. The ball is in your court bros.
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 03:38
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In other travel industries:


In a letter to industry leaders Wednesday night, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said cruises could resume sailing from U.S. ports in mid-July.

The CDC will require that ships guarantee that at least 98% of crew and 95% of passengers are fully vaccinated. This rule is in keeping with decisions already made by many other countries to require proof of vaccination in order for cruise ships to operate again.

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Old 30th Apr 2021, 03:54
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The Tasman bubble needs to be terminated immediately in order to resolve the stark difference in aircrew quarantine rules. If this isnít a large hole in the cheese then I donít know what is. 2 days quarantine for New Zealand crew. 14 days for Australian crew. What a fu*ing joke. Whatís 2 days and a test going to do when you could be infected but not infectious. Itís generally recognised for the virus to manifest itself takes about 5 days on average. Either New Zealand or Australia is out on a limb here. The Tasman bubble is far from secure. Shut it down until itís fixed. How the hell was this over looked reeks of incompetence or most probably, political indifference. Any Australian travelling to New Zealand could be exposed easily via lose quarantine rules.

Itís interesting that our Kiwi colleagues havenít refuted the facts. The ball is in your court bros.
If you take time to read the MoH Air Border Order which was updated this April, youíll find that Aircrew who operate Red zone flights are not permitted to fly Green Zone flights at all and must be kept separate.

Under the rules in NZ, red zone crew may operate domestically in NZ only after a 72 hour stand down and a negative PCR test, just as it always has been since July 2020. However aircrew must also comply with Australian rules requiring red zone crew to have spent 14 days in NZ before operating a trans-Tasman green zone flight.

But hey, donít let the facts get in the way of a good story.
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