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Old 27th Apr 2021, 04:07
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Originally Posted by Keg View Post
Lockdown? Whatís that? Havenít had a city wide one let a state wide one in NSW since April/ May last year. 230K people on the northern beaches for a couple of weeks due a super spreader event just prior to Christmas is the extent of it. For those outside the northern beaches, life has been pretty normal since May last year.

I always found it interesting when talking to the staff at the hotel in Perth in early December who were under the impression that Sydney/ NSW/ Ďover eastí was in permanent form of lockdowns and harsh restrictions. They got a shock when I told them life was as normal for us as it was for them.... we just didnít have an idiot Premier slamming the gate shut every time someone had a sniffle.
https://www.nsw.gov.au/media-release...-for-christmas well that all sounds pretty normal and just like things were in WA at the time....
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 04:10
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Originally Posted by Keg View Post
Lockdown? Whatís that? Havenít had a city wide one let a state wide one in NSW since April/ May last year. 230K people on the northern beaches for a couple of weeks due a super spreader event just prior to Christmas is the extent of it. For those outside the northern beaches, life has been pretty normal since May last year.

I always found it interesting when talking to the staff at the hotel in Perth in early December who were under the impression that Sydney/ NSW/ Ďover eastí was in permanent form of lockdowns and harsh restrictions. They got a shock when I told them life was as normal for us as it was for them.... we just didnít have an idiot Premier slamming the gate shut every time someone had a sniffle.
And yet NSW businesses are complaining vehemently about the year-long and continuing impact on their turn-over.
And every TV newsclip shows Sydney siders walking around masked.

Why is that then? Something doesn't add up.
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 04:19
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Originally Posted by Keg View Post
Lockdown? What’s that? Haven’t had a city wide one let a state wide one in NSW since April/ May last year. 230K people on the northern beaches for a couple of weeks due a super spreader event just prior to Christmas is the extent of it. For those outside the northern beaches, life has been pretty normal since May last year.

I always found it interesting when talking to the staff at the hotel in Perth in early December who were under the impression that Sydney/ NSW/ ‘over east’ was in permanent form of lockdowns and harsh restrictions. They got a shock when I told them life was as normal for us as it was for them.... we just didn’t have an idiot Premier slamming the gate shut every time someone had a sniffle.
just had one in WA. Have been many in Queensland. Victoria had god knows how many last year especially. They affect not only people in those states but the whole country. People can’t make holiday plans or have their plans ruined at the last minute. Plus the economic cost.
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 04:22
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just had one in WA. Have been many in Queensland. Victoria had god knows how many last year especially. They affect not only people in those states but the whole country. People canít make holiday plans or have their plans ruined at the last minute. Plus the economic cost.
So, since NSW has weathered the storm so well why has Beryl got her hand out for WA's GST share?
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 04:58
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All direct flights from India to Australia suspended for 2.5 weeks. With places like Singapore and the ME also suspending flights from India this effectively cuts off India from Australia:

All flights to India paused, PM announces - ABC News
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 05:39
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Originally Posted by kiwi grey View Post
I doubt that very much.
You are talking about building a small township for a thousand or more transients* in quarantine, plus permanent staff.
Even assuming the Commonwealth decided to simply ignore any requirement for planning permissions, consultations with stakeholders, environmental impact statement, etc - and I think that would be political suicide - you still have to manage the infrastructure issues: roading, electricity, potable water and sewage treatment & disposal. Roading is almost trivial.
The Commonwealth will have to
  • negotiate with a lines company to add a point load of some megawatts into a network probably designed to handle a farm every kilometre or so, and then get them to design and build it.
  • find a source of potable water, negotiate a supply agreement with the owner and design & build a pipeline to your camp site, probably build an on-site reservoir to give a surge/emergency/firefighting supply too or design and build a complete water supply and treatment system.
  • conceptualise, then design and build, a sewage/wastewater treatment plant and outfall.
These are not off-the-shelf purchases, they take months and months and gobs of money to do.
And if the Commonwealth were to go through the normal planning processes, add at least another three to six months.

Sorry, this is at least a twelve to eighteen months' project.

* If you are only going to take one planeload a week - A330 size, empty middle seats, say 150 SOB - and working on a sixteen day cycle (reception day, fourteen days quarantine, cleaning day) - you are going to need four hundred to four hundred and fifty beds. A thousand beds only gets you two flights a week, occasionally three. Daily flights, you're looking at two to two and a half thousand beds.


12-18 months? John Wagner does not agree;

Wagner Corporation chairman John Wagner said the first 500 beds could be built in as little as five to six weeks and his family-owned firm has put a ďcomprehensive and commonsenseĒ proposal on the table which would provide a safe alternative to hotel quarantine
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...04-p56zn3.html

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Old 27th Apr 2021, 08:28
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Originally Posted by Tucknroll View Post
The politicians are following the best guidance from medical professionals. Doctors arenít telling us how to fly planes, maybe we should stick to our wheelhouses. Letís let the people who understand the intricacies of a global viral pandemic advise our nationís leaders. Australia is the envy of the world for a reason.
I tend to agree with your comments,the doctors & cho's are not fools.
Pilots(of which im not 1) have studied long & hard & do a great job & of course now with the industry running on a day to day basis they are becoming frustrated at ever changing rules etc however if the country was opened up & this spread like wildfire(look at india),we could end up looking to the very people who are being criticised for a quick answer & very likely there wont be one.
I heard a sport commentator the other day make a statement about umpires & the constant criticism of them,he said 'lets have a footy game without umpires & see how that goes'!
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 08:29
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Originally Posted by Tucknroll View Post
I’ve read the bios, I’ve heard their advice. It all sounds pretty reasonable. The reason that there is variation state to state is because the resources and demographics of each state vary wildly.

So, scepticaloptimist you seem to be sharing some really great insights into the management of COVID-19. Care to give us a quick run down of your qualifications to do so? Where did you study medicine and virology? Or your MPH? Or are you one of these great people who have ‘educated themselves’ and now know more in one years’ worth of light internet reading than the world’s leading authorities on the subject?
Nope, wasn’t sharing insights into the management at all. My qualifications aren’t relevant, nor did I form any opinions based on light reading.

The actual experts in the field of disease management are however close friends, and know most of the CHOs personally. It’s their anecdotes and tales that prompted my comments.

And I repeat, if you heard the stories, you wouldn’t be trotting out the line you did about “following best medical guidance” - which was what I was responding to.
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 08:58
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Go on then, tell us the stories.
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 09:59
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The modeling of the trajectory of the Indian pandemic must be frightening. That is why the flights are cancelled.
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 10:41
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But if youíre a cricketer or celebrity, Iím sure Iwillbealrightjack...
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 12:07
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Go on then, tell us the stories.
Mate, if I knew you, over a quiet ale Iíd love to!
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 00:11
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Originally Posted by ExtraShot View Post
12-18 months? John Wagner does not agree;



https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...04-p56zn3.html

this bloke built an airport, in Australia, in spite of all our bureaucratic and regulatory madness, in record time. It CAN be done, if thereís a will to do it.
Excellent point ExtraShot and to the best of my knowledge the government hasn't even had the decency to give him an answer one way or the other but happy to be corrected on this.

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Old 28th Apr 2021, 04:29
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The modeling of the trajectory of the Indian pandemic must be frightening. That is why the flights are cancelled.
Funnily enough the trajectory and deaths were very similar in the US but we never cut flights off from there.
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Old 28th Apr 2021, 04:40
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Originally Posted by Ladloy View Post
Funnily enough the trajectory and deaths were very similar in the US but we never cut flights off from there.
Trajectory in the US was never as bad. Indiaís daily caseload has gone 6x in a month and no sign of slowing down. 1.6m tests yesterday and 360k cases.
Thatís ignoring the fact that Indiaís numbers would massively underestimate the true extent of the pandemic.
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 05:12
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Originally Posted by patty50 View Post
Trajectory in the US was never as bad. India’s daily caseload has gone 6x in a month and no sign of slowing down. 1.6m tests yesterday and 360k cases.
That’s ignoring the fact that India’s numbers would massively underestimate the true extent of the pandemic.
It was that bad and the UK was even worse. If you go buy cases and deaths per million India is not even close. Not to mention this.
Per capita is more important when talking about this. If you were to talk down the street what are the chances of someone having it. Peak US and UK you'd still have a better chance of getting COVID there than India currently.
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 05:48
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I think the under reporting in India (and among other developing countries) far exceeds places like the USA and UK however.
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 13:43
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Excellent point ExtraShot and to the best of my knowledge the government hasn't even had the decency to give him an answer one way or the other but happy to be corrected on this.
Last was that Qld Govt put the proposal to the Feds with no supporting documentation and are now crying that they have not had an answer.
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 00:24
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Well here we go again! 2 travelers from PNG were able to mingle with geeen zone passengers, QLD said the risk was low as they tested negative then wholla all of a sudden one of the two test positive. These travelers were every where in BBN terminal. Snap lock down 3 days will fix it tho.
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Old 30th Apr 2021, 00:31
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Well here we go again! 2 travelers from PNG were able to mingle with geeen zone passengers, QLD said the risk was low as they tested negative then wholla all of a sudden one of the two test positive. These travelers were every where in BBN terminal. Snap lock down 3 days will fix it tho.
Well that is one way to kill off any demand in Trans-Tasman flying as there were three green zone flights to NZ affected by that event.

A lot of kiwis wonít be travelling purely because they see things like this happening and instantly assume the whole of Australia is just full of incompetents. (Even when their own government are just as incompetent).
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