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Old 17th Dec 2020, 21:45
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Talk about exaggerating, its a one day quarantine until covid test results come through.....Also im sure you just forgot to mention TAS imposed restrictions earlier today for NSW.....
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Old 17th Dec 2020, 22:03
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Going by what Gladys has said this morning there will be a significant number today obviously more than the 17 yesterday which will put Sydney back to where it was in November.

Who still thinks international arrivals should be allowed in to capital cities! Not me.
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Old 17th Dec 2020, 22:24
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Gladys needs to do what other states have done. Those states who have banned NSW citizens from entering, like Tasmania, WA or Qld. Close the door to International arrivals.

Let other states carry a a disproportionate share of the load for a change instead of letting NSW manage the lions share of returning travellers. If they don't want NSW citizens in their states, why should NSW let their citizens into NSW-managed quarantine with the attendant risks that entails?

At least Tasmania and Queensland are, for now, being sensible about it and limiting it to the LGA as opposed to the entire state like a certain asreclown in the west...
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Old 17th Dec 2020, 22:35
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I am struggling to comprehend how overseas flight crew can arrive in Australia, and not be subject to the same Hotel quarantine as domestic flight crew??

My wife has been flying domestically since March, and has been required to stay locked in her room on all overnights until recently.

Yet the authorities allow Aircrew from highly infected countries, the US, to move about in our communities, did they learn nothing from the Ruby Princess?😡😡😡
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Old 18th Dec 2020, 01:07
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I am struggling to comprehend how overseas flight crew can arrive in Australia, and not be subject to the same Hotel quarantine as domestic flight crew??

😡😡😡
They are, I know 1 pilot personally who gets held in a quarantine hotel when he flys into a brisbane. Youtuber blancoliro has been put in QH on both of his flights for his airline. Has there been any confirmation if it was a foreign or australian crew ?
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Old 18th Dec 2020, 01:19
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Pretty disappointing that this looks to be a case of Australian air crew returning and not self isolating appropriately as per nsw health guidelines. You would think air crew of all people would know better.
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Old 18th Dec 2020, 01:26
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I am struggling to comprehend how overseas flight crew can arrive in Australia, and not be subject to the same Hotel quarantine as domestic flight crew??

My wife has been flying domestically since March, and has been required to stay locked in her room on all overnights until recently.

Yet the authorities allow Aircrew from highly infected countries, the US, to move about in our communities, did they learn nothing from the Ruby Princess?😡😡😡
That is simply not the case. International flight crew on turnarounds CANNOT move freely throughout the community. The distinction is that they have (with the general exception of WA where its the Holiday Inn only) been able to quarantine at a hotel as arranged by their airline. This is not necessarily one of the govenemrment hotels, however similar protocols are observed - no leaving the room etc room service only, which is left at the door. Similar restrictions have been applied to Australian aircrews within Australia when the borders were up in various states..

Australian flight crew returning internationally have been able to quarantine at home or a nominated hotel to date. More enlightened employers are putting their crews up in 1 bedroom apartments or similar to help with the period of quarantine. THIS IS UNDER THREAT.

I'd have hoped the industry bodies might have been a bit more vociferous to government regarding the necessity to have Australian Aircrew who have flown internationally (or been to a domestic hotspot) be able to quarantine in agreed nominated hotels, not a shoebox Holiday Inn room with returned travellers. For those who can't see it, this is nothing about privilege rather consider an Aussie pilot operates overseas, spends the entire time in the foreign port on a 10 day tour in hotel rooms then spends another 14 days in the Holiday Inn. Then a couple of days off, then rinse and repeat. That is not sustainable. An apartment with a balcony and fresh air is the only way to keep the health of aircrew going forward.

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Old 18th Dec 2020, 01:46
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That is simply not the case. International flight crew on turnarounds CANNOT move freely throughout the community.
Tell that to Gladys.
Ms Berejiklian confirmed one airline worker who was not an Australian citizen has breached their quarantine and gone out to venues."Unfortunately that doesn't seem to have amounted to anything and was not subject to any consideration at this stage but that is an example a few weekends ago where aircrew are supposed to isolate and chose not to.Source
I'm sure they aren't the only one, either. Just one of the ones they know about....
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Old 18th Dec 2020, 01:52
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Originally Posted by KRviator
Tell that to Gladys.
I'm sure they aren't the only one, either. Just one of the ones they know about....
Zero indication it was an international aircrew and not a domestic airline who are not required to quarantine. International aircrew are required to quarantine or have a covid plan. afik none have a covid plan. Australian airline crew flying international can isolate at home or commercial accomodation
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Old 18th Dec 2020, 02:32
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Originally Posted by rattman
Zero indication it was an international aircrew and not a domestic airline who are not required to quarantine. International aircrew are required to quarantine or have a covid plan. afik none have a covid plan. Australian airline crew flying international can isolate at home or commercial accomodation
Never suggested it was either of those. Merely pointing out, as you've correctly said, International crew laying over in Sydney are to quarantine, yet you have at least one peanut, and likely more who didn't get caught, who have gone out on the town against their quarantine directions.
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Old 18th Dec 2020, 02:44
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Never suggested it was either of those. Merely pointing out, as you've correctly said, International crew laying over in Sydney are to quarantine, yet you have at least one peanut, and likely more who didn't get caught, who have gone out on the town against their quarantine directions.
I just donít get this. Issue a room key that is one time only. Leave the room and your in trouble. Excessive? Necessary? The few who do not follow the rules fook the chook for all. Google FedEx pilot Singapore to see how seriously some countries take it.
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Old 18th Dec 2020, 02:45
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Thanks KR And Stallie,

I was obviously misunderstanding what I heard on the news.

The fact that they breached the Q rules should be grounds for a passport stamped with "never to return to Aus", that's what would happen if you committed a crime in the US.
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Old 18th Dec 2020, 03:14
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Guessing this is the event in question
Penalty Infringement Notices (PINs) were issued to 13 airline crew after they allegedly failed to comply with self-isolation ministerial directions.

Police received information a crew member who had arrived in Sydney on a flight from South America on Saturday 5 December 2020 had left his accommodation at Mascot in breach of the Public Health (COVID-19 Air Transportation Quarantine) Order 2020.
https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/n...ZhbGw9MQ%3D%3D
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Old 18th Dec 2020, 03:39
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Seems unusual that an international flight crew skipped hotel quarantine in an inner city hotel to go all
the way to Avalon Beach for drinks at the RSL? Seems more likely to be Australian based crew if that was the case, although nothing confirmed yet.

And yet again, another case of quarantine outbreak in major city as a result of an international source. Whatís the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?

The Federal government needs to immediately implement a network of remote arrival quarantine locations. Unless they want this to keep happening for the whole of next year, as they have said that Australia is not going to be getting the vaccine for a while.
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Old 18th Dec 2020, 03:46
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Seems unusual that an international flight crew skipped hotel quarantine in an inner city hotel to go all
the way to Avalon Beach for drinks at the RSL? Seems more likely to be Australian based crew if that was the case, although nothing confirmed yet.

And yet again, another case of quarantine outbreak in major city as a result of an international source. Whatís the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?

The Federal government needs to immediately implement a network of remote arrival quarantine locations. Unless they want this to keep happening for the whole of next year, as they have said that Australia is not going to be getting the vaccine for a while.
Well we still dont know the original source.....i would bet money on a wealthy individual who has exemption from hotel quarantine rather than airline crew
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Old 18th Dec 2020, 04:01
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Thanks KR And Stallie,

I was obviously misunderstanding what I heard on the news.

The fact that they breached the Q rules should be grounds for a passport stamped with "never to return to Aus", that's what would happen if you committed a crime in the US.
There is a lot of misinformation about in the media and by people being interviewed who should know better, in particular mixing up the isolation requirements for international vs AU based aircrew. There is a line of conversation that international aircrew on turnarounds in AU are not subject to quarantine - this is false.

Relieved to hear that - for VIC anyway - AU based aircrew flying internationally can continue to isolate either at home or nominated hotel. This will be enforced by police direction. Happy to hear this sensible outcome.
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Well we still dont know the original source.....i would bet money on a wealthy individual who has exemption from hotel quarantine rather than airline crew
Or someone who works in the existing quarantine system has caught it and been asymptomatic and spread it from there. Remember security guards in NSW have got it before.

Friends in the UK - entire family got it. Not one symptom amongst any of them. One lied about symptoms just to get tested as she works at a school and wanted to get one out of an abundance of caution. Positive. As were the rest of the family on subsequent testing.
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Old 18th Dec 2020, 04:13
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Well we still dont know the original source.....i would bet money on a wealthy individual who has exemption from hotel quarantine rather than airline crew
Heard a bit earlier it was brought in by a US citizen so fair chance US flight crew,just what i heard being said.
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Old 18th Dec 2020, 04:18
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Just been announced a Covid positive case attended the Cronulla RSL. Along with the Penrith and Avalon cases, there are now positive cases who have attended venues in the far north, south and west of the city, and presumably all spots in between, so this outbreak will surely spread all over the city very quickly.

Looks like the hot spot designation and restrictions wonít be limited to the northern beaches for long.

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Old 18th Dec 2020, 04:20
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I just don’t get this. Issue a room key that is one time only.
Or don't issue a key at all (that was my hotel iso experience).

Leave the room - door shuts behind you - ringing reception to ask for access to room - filth know you have left the room.

OR

Leave the room - stick something in the doorway to stop the door closing - hall guards see the door chocked - filth know you have left the room.

Leaving the room has been detected easily.
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