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Old 26th Aug 2020, 06:21
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Originally Posted by Zhoottoo View Post
Well done Alliance once again. An all time high on the ASX today. If I had put a dollar or two in to Alliance 3 months ago instead of posting dribble here ​​I'd be sitting on a nice 35% return. If I was cleverer than that and had a dabble in mid March - a whopping 300% return. Not that I did either. Bugger!!!
Me neither. Havent got the money. Currently on jobkeeper with the bank and car finance breathing down my neck, whilst exec management at my airline sip champagne and eat caviar. Same with all politicians and hangers on in Canberra.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 01:58
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Just read this, a run-down on Alliance's E190 plans, https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...e-embraer-e190

First E190 not expected for entry into service until Feb 2021, despite delivery in Sept. Alliance looking at a few layout versions, most E190s will be all economy at 100 seats but some likely to keep Copa's business class cabin and some might even end up in an all-business layout similar to Alliance's Fokker 70.

Between Alliance's E190s and Rex putting B737s on the triangle, Australia's regional airlines aren't doing too bad it seems!
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 02:41
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Originally Posted by MelbourneFlyer View Post

Between Alliance's E190s and Rex putting B737s on the triangle, Australia's regional airlines aren't doing too bad it seems!
Yes......but, now they will have to compete on the open market against Qantas, Jetstar and hopefully Virgin. Completely different ‘kettle of fish’. It’s a bit different to contract flying, where you get the cash regardless, or surviving on $60 million handouts from the govmint. Time will tell.
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 01:24
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More ex Alliance F50 and F100 pilots returning after Air Japan redundancies.
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 11:25
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Returning to what?
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 13:28
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Originally Posted by Half Baked View Post
Returning to what?
Exactly!!...Its not like Alliance is going to say 'Welcome Home, here have an E-Jet type rating'..
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 13:53
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Alliance obviously knows the industry and also understands about managing a successful business.
I would guess if you are ex Alliance you would remain ex Alliance. They know as soon as the industry picks up again, you are gone again to chase the coin amongst other things especially in Japan. They will read between the lines and spot the bullshit regardless of how much you practice your acting skills and your STAR responses. No soup for you...next!
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 01:45
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[QUOTE=Daddy Fantastic;10876064]Exactly!!...Its not like Alliance is going to say 'Welcome Home, here have an E-Jet type rating'.

QUOTE=Littlebird
I would guess if you are ex Alliance you would remain ex Alliance. They know as soon as the industry picks up again, you are gone again to chase the coin amongst other things especially in Japan. They will read between the lines and spot the bullshit regardless of how much you practice your acting skills and your STAR responses. No soup for you...next!
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I think you will find these pilots are intelligent enough to know that they would not obtain E190 slots. However once the present Alliance pilots are transferred to the E190 there would be slots on the F50 and F100 which these pilots could slot in to quite easily. I think you will also find that most of these guys have had enough of living outside Oz and will never leave again. On the other hand those who have not experienced flying and living overseas might find it quite tempting to move abroad. Mind you regarding the comment about Japan. Just remember a lot of pilots don't make it in Japan and are either let go during their conversion course as an FO or never make command. It is quite challenging, just 8 months to complete the conversion, provided you pass everything first time. If you fail the first JCAB check you may not be given a second attempt.


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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 10:42
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Originally Posted by "Littlebird" View Post
Alliance obviously knows the industry and also understands about managing a successful business.
I would guess if you are ex Alliance you would remain ex Alliance. They know as soon as the industry picks up again, you are gone again to chase the coin amongst other things especially in Japan. They will read between the lines and spot the bullshit regardless of how much you practice your acting skills and your STAR responses. No soup for you...next!
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Absolutely!! I would agree with that. Alliance knows they are not top dog but do try their best, treat their staff well. They realise pilots want the ANA 767 contract etc.. However that does not mean they should take you back when things go belly up like now. Its not meant in a mean way, just that they want people who will stick around as being at home is more important to them than globetrotting the world looking for the next big gig...

If a guy had left after 10 years with a great record and wanted to do a stint overseas then come home, sure you know he is genuine. However a guy that did the bare minimum and left as soon as his bond was up or even before, no chance Im afraid!!
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 10:47
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I think you will find these pilots are intelligent enough to know that they would not obtain E190 slots. However once the present Alliance pilots are transferred to the E190 there would be slots on the F50 and F100 which these pilots could slot in to quite easily. I think you will also find that most of these guys have had enough of living outside Oz and will never leave again. On the other hand those who have not experienced flying and living overseas might find it quite tempting to move abroad. Mind you regarding the comment about Japan. Just remember a lot of pilots don't make it in Japan and are either let go during their conversion course as an FO or never make command. It is quite challenging, just 8 months to complete the conversion, provided you pass everything first time. If you fail the first JCAB check you may not be given a second attempt.[/QUOTE]

Sure from a business point of view it might make sense to get a type rated F50/100 driver back on board to fill a vacant slot. However he would still most likely have had to have left on good terms, been in Alliance for a while and possibly looking at staying for good just so he can be at home in his home base. My bet is that not too many ex Alliance pilots will get back in though due to leaving in the first place for something bigger and better...They will do it again when things pick up. Im not judging these pilots, Im just saying I can see things from Alliance's point of view as well.
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 05:41
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With deliveries of the E190 to start this month, you'd think Alliance would have started advertising for positions by now? Haven't seen anything on Seek.com. Perhaps they are upgrading Fokker pilots to the Ejet internally?
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Old 4th Sep 2020, 06:57
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I have it on good authority that they will definitely be looking at type rated E190 drivers for said positions. There will be some internal movement from the Fokker 100 to the E190 but type rated is of HIGH Priority if they can get it. Cant blame for that, pure business sense and to prevent 2 training events when they only have to do 1 if they can get it..

February is apparently when they expect to be flying and making money of them so as you say there will probably be adverts soon. Border closures are not helping the situation but I suspect they would want to start getting guys on board training by November at the latest to be ready and up to speed.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 04:22
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Is this the first of Alliance's Ejets to be delivered? It's first flight since March of this year, so possibly a post maintenance test flight before the ferry to Australia?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...69cmp#2580558e
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 22:51
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The Japanese licence is one of the hardest in the world to obtain, astronaut medical, all written exams and an ultra pedantic flight test. If you have one and experience in Japan, you’d be very attractive to Japanese employers once things pick up.

A younger pilot might be tempted to head back to the land of the rising sun and could find it difficult to convince Alliance that he was going to stay. An older pilot with <10 years to retirement would be more likely to stick around. If he had left on good terms, could convince them that he wanted to see more of his grandchildren and was sick of chasing money then he might be in with a chance.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 08:28
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Originally Posted by krismiler View Post
The Japanese licence is one of the hardest in the world to obtain, astronaut medical, all written exams and an ultra pedantic flight test. If you have one and experience in Japan, you’d be very attractive to Japanese employers once things pick up.

A younger pilot might be tempted to head back to the land of the rising sun and could find it difficult to convince Alliance that he was going to stay. An older pilot with <10 years to retirement would be more likely to stick around. If he had left on good terms, could convince them that he wanted to see more of his grandchildren and was sick of chasing money then he might be in with a chance.
Agreed, not sure why anybody would want to put themselves thru that Japanese nonsense anyway for a bit of extra coin. I know an ex 767 captain who did not get the job after flying the 767 for 10 years as PIC for a legacy carrier.

As for Alliance they seem like a good bunch and a terrific company to work for. You could be at home with family and friends, flying in a stable environment and treated with respect. I really dont understand why somebody would go to Emirates for example, take all that abuse, fatigue, poor treatment and mis-management especially seeing again how these foreign carriers treat their pilots and cabin crew, its quite disgusting.

It will be interesting to see how many ex Alliance pilots get knocked back after re-applying for a position since the world just imploded under Covid. I think some will get back in but not many..

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Old 19th Sep 2020, 03:44
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[QUOTE][Daddy] Agreed, not sure why anybody would want to put themselves thru that Japanese nonsense anyway for a bit of extra coin. I know an ex 767 captain who did not get the job after flying the 767 for 10 years as PIC for a legacy carrier.

Obviously not up to JCAB standard.

[QUOTE][krismiler] A younger pilot might be tempted to head back to the land of the rising sun and could find it difficult to convince Alliance that he was going to stay. An older pilot with <10 years to retirement would be more likely to stick around. If he had left on good terms, could convince them that he wanted to see more of his grandchildren and was sick of chasing money then he might be in with a chance.

I think you will find the oldest pilot who left Alliance was a well qualified Capt. in his mid to late 40's. Also quite a few of them had been in the company well over six years. Alliance could easily employ those pilots that they want to rehire on the basis that they (The pilots) paid for the sim training and their salary commencing on their completion of line training which would take less than a week.
Further there are still some pilots who are still employed, flying and holding command positions who may return if offered positions on the F100 or F50.

As to the earlier comment about pilots leaving for Japan and the ME. You will find those pilots left because they feared for their jobs due to the downturn in the mining industry not for the "Coin" offered. I guess it is in the interests of some of those presently employed and those hoping for employment to tarnish the reasons of those returning.

Just remember it would be in the airlines interest to employ pilots that they know, who are qualified on the F50 and F100 and are familiar with the routes and company SOPs.





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Old 19th Sep 2020, 07:55
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As to the earlier comment about pilots leaving for Japan and the ME. You will find those pilots left because they feared for their jobs due to the downturn in the mining industry not for the "Coin" offered. I guess it is in the interests of some of those presently employed and those hoping for employment to tarnish the reasons of those returning.

Just remember it would be in the airlines interest to employ pilots that they know, who are qualified on the F50 and F100 and are familiar with the routes and company SOPs.[/QUOTE]


Uncalled for comment. Im certainly not wishing any ill will or wanting to tarnish the record of those returning or those who left. If you read my earlier posts I clearly stated Im not judging these pilots for leaving, everybody has their reasons but I can see it from Alliances point of view as well. They may not want to re-hire them due to the fact they know they will leave again once Emirates and ANA pick up again etc..

As I stated I think some will get re-employed but not that many. Of course I could be wrong and if these guys get their jobs back then good for them as we all have families to support but dont be surprised if you dont get your job back if you left for the big shiny 777 at Emirates.

There are many hungry young pilots out there and Alliance know this, they may be willing to invest in them instead for both the company and the young pilots futures.
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 08:38
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What about hungry old pilots ?🤪
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Old 19th Sep 2020, 08:50
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I’m guessing a “ hungry young pilot “ is sub 30, the rest are old
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