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Qantas will not order A350
Only my opinion but i am thinking now there is even more likelihood that they will.
They have got the pilots deal they wanted,they have got a delay on the date they have to order by & with the cessation of flying for god knows how long by many airlines the manufacturers will be ready to sign deals at never before seen prices & terms which could well be backed by government guarantees both on the manufacturers & airlines sides.
The delay in order time will not matter,many airlines will be rushing to give up delivery slots.
They have got the pilots deal they wanted,they have got a delay on the date they have to order by & with the cessation of flying for god knows how long by many airlines the manufacturers will be ready to sign deals at never before seen prices & terms which could well be backed by government guarantees both on the manufacturers & airlines sides.
The delay in order time will not matter,many airlines will be rushing to give up delivery slots.
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You voted for a 20-30% pay cut on the back of the last 30% pay cut.
That generosity of spirit won’t be lost on those that are left when the carcass of the business is resurrected. Qantas has asked for - and got - a 30% pay cut each time they’ve asked. With bailout cash I wonder what they will ask for next time??
It used to be, when pilots were paid well, that many invested in developing a second career option against the possibility of losing their medical certificate, at least that was what I was told anecdotally. I think it’s probably still a good idea today.
One of the few pieces of wisdom I’ve picked along the way is this: There is no security in being employed. There is security in being employable.
That myth needs to be debunked now and forever. No one is getting a 60% pay cut. For that to be true current pilots would have been making $1m per year to be cut down to the proposed $400k for a 350 Captain. See how ludicrous that sounds?
And the No camp wonder why they only got 15%? Maybe they should get out of their bubble. I think that figure wouldn’t have been too different to the final figure even if this pandemic had not occurred.
$400k for Capt, $260k for FO to fly a widebody jet with some of the best protections in aviation is solid gold in the current environment. I bet every single one of the world’s currently non flying airline pilots (80-90% of the total) would crawl over broken glass to work under those conditions.
Be thankful and grateful for what you’ve gotten.
And the No camp wonder why they only got 15%? Maybe they should get out of their bubble. I think that figure wouldn’t have been too different to the final figure even if this pandemic had not occurred.
$400k for Capt, $260k for FO to fly a widebody jet with some of the best protections in aviation is solid gold in the current environment. I bet every single one of the world’s currently non flying airline pilots (80-90% of the total) would crawl over broken glass to work under those conditions.
Be thankful and grateful for what you’ve gotten.
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What time is call tomorrow, Normo?
If you aren’t working this week, you haven’t actually got a job. That’s not even Elaine’s fault, but it is a fact.
You voted for a 20-30% pay cut on the back of the last 30% pay cut.
That generosity of spirit won’t be lost on those that are left when the carcass of the business is resurrected. Qantas has asked for - and got - a 30% pay cut each time they’ve asked. With bailout cash I wonder what they will ask for next time??
https://youtu.be/Mr7-Whke7Xs
If you aren’t working this week, you haven’t actually got a job. That’s not even Elaine’s fault, but it is a fact.
You voted for a 20-30% pay cut on the back of the last 30% pay cut.
That generosity of spirit won’t be lost on those that are left when the carcass of the business is resurrected. Qantas has asked for - and got - a 30% pay cut each time they’ve asked. With bailout cash I wonder what they will ask for next time??
https://youtu.be/Mr7-Whke7Xs
You voted for a 20-30% pay cut on the back of the last 30% pay cut.
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That's fake news. Another incorrect "fact" from V-Jet.
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That's fake news. Another incorrect "fact" from V-Jet.
They were successful. Their ultimatum ensured it would be.
Whether that's 1%, 10% or 50% is largely irrelevant.
I'm sure Airbus will be happy to sign a contract with QF that allows for "flexibility" - for a small fee. They were quoted in Flight last week saying they effectively "over-sell" their production because hey know people will delay, pull out etc - the manufacturing equivalent of over-booking flights. I'm sure they figure that point-to-point has received a boost from intermediate stops closing during the virus at very short notice. People suddenly routing via Darwin (QF) or the West Indies (Air Tahiti Nui) will be more interested in non-stop in future.....................
Normo, you would have to agree (well a magistrate would) that so far you are a beneficiary of this unmitigated disaster. You aren’t working.
My original post stands and if you can’t see what I’ve posted as relevant you don’t get it, So far, you are being paid to do nothing. When that finishes, let me assure you, ALL BETS ARE OFF.
You might quibble over terms and whether you stay up all night every night, or all night every second night etc, but in essence pilots have taken a massive pay and health cut. It’s a complete nonsense to suggest otherwise.
The Company is in survival mode. The vote was put before the cataclysm and was voted on accordingly. Make no mistake, that will be used as a management argument,
The vote will be used by management where it suits and discarded where it suits, Its almost irrelevant what the vote was, the wages given away by pilots will be paid, just not to pilots. Well done there,
But what’s more important is that I seriously doubt the massive pay cuts voted for will even be granted, The new argument will be ‘you were so happy to do more work for less, that we can now demand xxxxx’
You’re a genius salesperson Normo! You’re not alone, I’ve come across some equally deluded characters in the last few months. I hope you have a good family around you when you may have to be fed through a straw because your brain doesn’t function when you’re 65. If it’s not you, it WILL be one of your workmates, Remember that comment - it will come back to haunt you in time. You will start by laughing and deriding, But I’m confident that the way I’ve expressed it that will sink in enough for you to remember when that time comes.
Congratulations on all the work you are doing at the moment!!!
Make the most of every single moment you have of your life right now. You’ve voted on a futures contract that I suspect you have zero understanding of the reality of. I would -LOVE- to be wrong, But I’m so sure I’m not, I’m prepared for public embarrassment to say so.
Start looking around for quality nursing homes and what that market involves. It’s worth staying abreast of the market - and be very aware of what you are able to afford.
My original post stands and if you can’t see what I’ve posted as relevant you don’t get it, So far, you are being paid to do nothing. When that finishes, let me assure you, ALL BETS ARE OFF.
You might quibble over terms and whether you stay up all night every night, or all night every second night etc, but in essence pilots have taken a massive pay and health cut. It’s a complete nonsense to suggest otherwise.
The Company is in survival mode. The vote was put before the cataclysm and was voted on accordingly. Make no mistake, that will be used as a management argument,
The vote will be used by management where it suits and discarded where it suits, Its almost irrelevant what the vote was, the wages given away by pilots will be paid, just not to pilots. Well done there,
But what’s more important is that I seriously doubt the massive pay cuts voted for will even be granted, The new argument will be ‘you were so happy to do more work for less, that we can now demand xxxxx’
You’re a genius salesperson Normo! You’re not alone, I’ve come across some equally deluded characters in the last few months. I hope you have a good family around you when you may have to be fed through a straw because your brain doesn’t function when you’re 65. If it’s not you, it WILL be one of your workmates, Remember that comment - it will come back to haunt you in time. You will start by laughing and deriding, But I’m confident that the way I’ve expressed it that will sink in enough for you to remember when that time comes.
Congratulations on all the work you are doing at the moment!!!
Make the most of every single moment you have of your life right now. You’ve voted on a futures contract that I suspect you have zero understanding of the reality of. I would -LOVE- to be wrong, But I’m so sure I’m not, I’m prepared for public embarrassment to say so.
Start looking around for quality nursing homes and what that market involves. It’s worth staying abreast of the market - and be very aware of what you are able to afford.
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Normo, you would have to agree (well a magistrate would) that so far you are a beneficiary of this unmitigated disaster. You aren’t working.
My original post stands and if you can’t see what I’ve posted as relevant you don’t get it, So far, you are being paid to do nothing. When that finishes, let me assure you, ALL BETS ARE OFF.
You might quibble over terms and whether you stay up all night every night, or all night every second night etc, but in essence pilots have taken a massive pay and health cut. It’s a complete nonsense to suggest otherwise.
The Company is in survival mode. The vote was put before the cataclysm and was voted on accordingly. Make no mistake, that will be used as a management argument,
The vote will be used by management where it suits and discarded where it suits, Its almost irrelevant what the vote was, the wages given away by pilots will be paid, just not to pilots. Well done there,
But what’s more important is that I seriously doubt the massive pay cuts voted for will even be granted, The new argument will be ‘you were so happy to do more work for less, that we can now demand xxxxx’
You’re a genius salesperson Normo! You’re not alone, I’ve come across some equally deluded characters in the last few months. I hope you have a good family around you when you may have to be fed through a straw because your brain doesn’t function when you’re 65. If it’s not you, it WILL be one of your workmates, Remember that comment - it will come back to haunt you in time. You will start by laughing and deriding, But I’m confident that the way I’ve expressed it that will sink in enough for you to remember when that time comes.
Congratulations on all the work you are doing at the moment!!!
Make the most of every single moment you have of your life right now. You’ve voted on a futures contract that I suspect you have zero understanding of the reality of. I would -LOVE- to be wrong, But I’m so sure I’m not, I’m prepared for public embarrassment to say so.
Start looking around for quality nursing homes and what that market involves. It’s worth staying abreast of the market - and be very aware of what you are able to afford.
My original post stands and if you can’t see what I’ve posted as relevant you don’t get it, So far, you are being paid to do nothing. When that finishes, let me assure you, ALL BETS ARE OFF.
You might quibble over terms and whether you stay up all night every night, or all night every second night etc, but in essence pilots have taken a massive pay and health cut. It’s a complete nonsense to suggest otherwise.
The Company is in survival mode. The vote was put before the cataclysm and was voted on accordingly. Make no mistake, that will be used as a management argument,
The vote will be used by management where it suits and discarded where it suits, Its almost irrelevant what the vote was, the wages given away by pilots will be paid, just not to pilots. Well done there,
But what’s more important is that I seriously doubt the massive pay cuts voted for will even be granted, The new argument will be ‘you were so happy to do more work for less, that we can now demand xxxxx’
You’re a genius salesperson Normo! You’re not alone, I’ve come across some equally deluded characters in the last few months. I hope you have a good family around you when you may have to be fed through a straw because your brain doesn’t function when you’re 65. If it’s not you, it WILL be one of your workmates, Remember that comment - it will come back to haunt you in time. You will start by laughing and deriding, But I’m confident that the way I’ve expressed it that will sink in enough for you to remember when that time comes.
Congratulations on all the work you are doing at the moment!!!
Make the most of every single moment you have of your life right now. You’ve voted on a futures contract that I suspect you have zero understanding of the reality of. I would -LOVE- to be wrong, But I’m so sure I’m not, I’m prepared for public embarrassment to say so.
Start looking around for quality nursing homes and what that market involves. It’s worth staying abreast of the market - and be very aware of what you are able to afford.
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V-Jet isn't exactly wrong though. The yes voters willingly agreed to 190-200hr rosters as we know them. What's that going to look/feel like?
Or was that a secondary consideration? QF will be disappointed they didn't go harder - luckily they get a lot more chances.
Or was that a secondary consideration? QF will be disappointed they didn't go harder - luckily they get a lot more chances.
why did the NO camp only get 15%? After all the arguments and raving on here it sounds like they just weren't convinced??
Thanks nice to see a clear post without all the usual ravings and finger pointing 
Qantas pilots played the game by handing over 30% pay cuts for the A350 orders that HAD to ordered by 31st March. How many have Qantas formally ordered - seeing as the deadline has passed and pilots dutifully complied?
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It’s aviation. Leave the industry or move on. If Sunrise didn’t happen this decade it would have happened the next. And then there will be pilotless aeroplanes one day. Rant over, good luck everyone, hope you are holding up ok