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Old 26th Nov 2019, 06:00
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But if Jetstar can spin the narrative to blame the greedy pilots then that fury will be directed at the pilots. The battle for hearts and minds is not an insignificant one.
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 07:58
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Originally Posted by Lookleft View Post
But if Jetstar can spin the narrative to blame the greedy pilots then that fury will be directed at the pilots. The battle for hearts and minds is not an insignificant one.
Ah but how exaclty would the pilots receive the public wrath? Jetstar (or any) pilots are as good as invisible to the public. Whether the public harbor any resentment towards the pilots will not directly affect what they get paid now or in the future. The pilots have little to fear in the way of 'brand damage' vs what the company does.

I was involved in pilot group industrial action years ago, the news that evening interviewed passengers caught up. Opinions varied, but the most common opinion was one of the big corporation bullying the worker at the coal face. Ultimately it didnt matter what the public thought as to effect to outcome of the EBA.

Further more, with 'the company' boasting record profits and executive remuneration in this climate, I suspect that any one sided claims of pilot greed would be akin to throwing stones in a glass house.
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 09:46
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Originally Posted by Lapon View Post
The pilots have little to fear in the way of 'brand damage' vs what the company does..

This I agree with 100%, the 3 morons in Melbourne head office think we the Pilot group will damage the brand. The business does this on its own, but after all it is a LCC!
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 15:48
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Originally Posted by Lookleft View Post
But if Jetstar can spin the narrative to blame the greedy pilots then that fury will be directed at the pilots. The battle for hearts and minds is not an insignificant one.
You're really clutching at straws now mate.
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 22:23
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Every time the media mention pilot remuneration, the next line will be 24 million. Thatís what joe public will remember.
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 22:38
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Originally Posted by CamelSquadron View Post
Highly paid professional going on strike asking for more money. You have completely lost touch with reality and you will get no support from Joe Public who just see you as greedy and selfish. Your playing right into the hands of management.
I think youíll find the opposite is true. Most Australians are getting hammered by our benevolent corporations in some shape and support fighting back. No one thinks Alan deserves $24m. Iíve heard people say Ďwhy should Jetstar get paid less than the others for flying the same planesí. You will also find the pilots have significant support within the group.

People are comfortable with pilots making a decent amount of money and not many view 200k as mega dollars at least in Sydney or Melbourne.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 01:31
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I would expect that if JQ pilots were harassed or abused by passengers during any PIA, they will simply not fly their aircraft, and a new crew brought in.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 01:43
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This is an Enterprise Agreement, not a popularity contest, not a political campaign; public sentiment is largely irrelevant.
It is between employer and employee. It will be a business decision that governs what happens next. If it costs JQ too much money they will modify their behaviour, public sentiment wonít come into their calculation.

Not to say you will definitely get the outcome you desire but ignore the noise, fight for what you deserve because if you donít fight then you have already lost.

Good luck.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 02:15
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RESPECT.

Originally Posted by Beer Baron View Post
This is an Enterprise Agreement, not a popularity contest, not a political campaign; public sentiment is largely irrelevant.
It is between employer and employee. It will be a business decision that governs what happens next. If it costs JQ too much money they will modify their behaviour, public sentiment wonít come into their calculation.

Not to say you will definitely get the outcome you desire but ignore the noise, fight for what you deserve because if you donít fight then you have already lost.

Good luck.

Eloquent and accurate 👍🏿
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 03:25
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could not agree more.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 03:37
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Originally Posted by Beer Baron View Post
If it costs JQ too much money they will modify their behaviour, public sentiment won’t come into their calculation.

If by 'it' you mean Jetstar pilot PIA, I think you'll find reality is a little more complicated than that.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 06:29
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I think sometimes you have to take some tougher action to get anywhere.

Wasnít Mr Joyce praised for this a few years ago?

Its not like they are going to find anyone else to under cut you?

Good luck and I hope you guys succeed instead of being trodden on all the time.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 11:55
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Originally Posted by patty50 View Post
support fighting back.
I am a long tiime lurker and I registered just to post on this thread. If there is industrial action at Christmas people will blame the Jetstar pilots and hate them with a passion. For the direct personal consequences including financial loss and disruption. It is completely ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Because it is the pilots that have chosen the timing. I'd also say the company is already doing better media on this to ensure the pilots are blamed too.

Even those people not directly impacted will understand what people are going through and have sympathy. Pilots will be seen as greedy Christmas wreaking bastards.
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 02:21
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I am a long tiime lurker and I registered just to post on this thread. If there is industrial action at Christmas people will blame the Jetstar pilots and hate them with a passion. For the direct personal consequences including financial loss and disruption. It is completely ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Because it is the pilots that have chosen the timing. I'd also say the company is already doing better media on this to ensure the pilots are blamed too.

Even those people not directly impacted will understand what people are going through and have sympathy. Pilots will be seen as greedy Christmas wreaking bastards.
Long time lurker eh?? Doubt it, pretty transparent who you are.

Completely wrong, I too have been involved in PIA. There were no such consequences.
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 03:16
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Originally Posted by Thommo_au View Post
I am a long tiime lurker and I registered just to post on this thread. If there is industrial action at Christmas people will blame the Jetstar pilots and hate them with a passion. For the direct personal consequences including financial loss and disruption. It is completely ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Because it is the pilots that have chosen the timing. I'd also say the company is already doing better media on this to ensure the pilots are blamed too.

Even those people not directly impacted will understand what people are going through and have sympathy. Pilots will be seen as greedy Christmas wreaking bastards.
Public opinion wont' decide the outcome of JQ's PIA. Further, on the line I've noticed quite vocal support from our pax. People are sick of executives making millions off the backs of their employees. The blowback will be nothing like you suggest.
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 03:45
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Thommo you sound like one of those Alan believers?

I can assure you any negative passenger vibes seen on the nightly news will be forgotten very fast. Impact to revenue will be almost zero.

Lowest fare wins in this demographic. They might be swearing and threatening to never fly this mob again, however on the next Bali or Cooly trip when they have a choice of a $39 Jetstar or $120 Virgin flight.....I wonder who wins.

The media need to ask Gareth if his pilots are the lowest paid Airbus drivers in part of the world. Iíd love to see the reply. You wouldnít get a straight answer out of any manager within the group.

Any quality and decent investigative journalist probably needs to look past the passenger fluffy drama and look into the corporate greed vs lowest paid front line workers within in its industry. Just look at Woolworths recently.

Jetstar also recently stated it has a target of a 21% profit margin in the medium term, which is nearly double the current margin. Adding into the mix itís outrageous executive remuneration figures, claiming they canít afford to get its pilots off the lowest paid ladder is beyond absurd.
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 04:05
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when they have a choice of a $39 Jetstar or $120 Virgin flight.....I wonder who wins.
No need to wonder.
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 04:32
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Trento and Stella will be screaming, but when thereís holes in the Bintang singlet and the craving for that Indonesian Pilsner bites, if Jetstar is $10 cheaper. Theyíll after pay it and max the credit card on the way up with in flight booze.

I hope JQ get the parity with the other drivers they deserve.
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 11:48
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Originally Posted by Thommo_au View Post
If there is industrial action at Christmas people will blame the Jetstar pilots and hate them with a passion.

Even those people not directly impacted will understand what people are going through and have sympathy. Pilots will be seen as greedy Christmas wreaking bastards.

I donít think they will. You underestimate how much ordinary people hate corporate leaders. Joyce and henchmen have zero credibility in calling anyone overpaid.

The PIA involves plenty of things with no to minimal impact on passengers and there will still be a couple of 747s laying around if a real strike eventuates.
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 01:38
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The PIA involves plenty of things with no to minimal impact on passengers and there will still be a couple of 747s laying around if a real strike eventuates.
Under current laws one of those options is legal and the other is not.
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