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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 23:08
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Originally Posted by Lookleft
No its not : (Wikipedia)

Which is why PIA is legal under very restrictive criteria and "going on strike" is illegal.
A stoppage of work be it stand-alone periods or consecutive 4 / 24 hour periods = the definition of a STRIKE and you don’t get paid for it.

“Protected” just means it’s ratified as an approved action by the FWC.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 00:14
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The original statement was that a strike was the old term for industrial action. It is not, a strike means the withdrawal of labour. The phrase "going on strike" was used when labour was withdrawn with little or no prior notice. I think a lot of younger people have never seen what going on strike actually looked like. Not a criticism but the fact that they haven't seen it is a result of the tightening of industrial laws since the Accord.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 05:37
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Jetstar going the extra yard I believe to get any AIPA members on long term sick leave back to work. I wonder why?
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80 odd Aipa members aren’t going to do much.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 07:04
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Originally Posted by Lookleft
No its not : (Wikipedia)

Which is why PIA is legal under very restrictive criteria and "going on strike" is illegal.
https://www.fwc.gov.au/industrial-ac...ustrial-action

"Industrial action where there is a failure or refusal by employees to attend for work, or a failure or refusal to perform any work at all by employees who attend for work, is historically known as a strike."

Anyway - I have heard AIPA is still negotiating with Jetstar, how can they bring a solution with so few members?
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 07:07
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Originally Posted by LostontheLOC
https://www.fwc.gov.au/industrial-ac...ustrial-action

"Industrial action where there is a failure or refusal by employees to attend for work, or a failure or refusal to perform any work at all by employees who attend for work, is historically known as a strike."

Anyway - I have heard AIPA is still negotiating with Jetstar, how can they bring a solution with so few members?
They want to appear to be doing something, anything. Like a duck paddling madly against the tide and going no where.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 07:35
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They don’t think they can reach a settlement based on AIPA members but the Company love a fractured pilot group so would like nothing better than AIPA members bending the ear of other pilots talking up what a great deal they have.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 08:00
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
They don’t think they can reach a settlement based on AIPA members but the Company love a fractured pilot group so would like nothing better than AIPA members bending the ear of other pilots talking up what a great deal they have.
Interesting times no doubt. First time I believe that there has been a large shift towards single union membership in JQ's negotiations. AIPA numbers are inflated due to the many who have retained dual membership because of LOL complications. I don't see them having a role to play in future negotiations. What can the company offer them thats going to sway the rest of the pilot group? Free lanyards?
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 04:42
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So it seems the ground crews will be causing the disruptions this month, the AFAP are not taking action until next month as they did with TT.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 06:03
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Looks like the first actions are happening on the 14th this month, continuing for the week after that.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 06:40
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Red Ties

4 hour wearing of RED TIES. That will show them!!!!!!!!!!!

errrrrrrr no

This afternoon, the AFAP provided notice to the Company that PIA will commenceon Saturday 14 December in the form of the following bans/actions:

1. A four (4) hour stoppage of all work from:
  • 0459 - 0859 local time on Saturday 14th and Sunday 15 December for Narrow Body pilots.
  • 1430 – 1830 local time on Saturday 14th December for Wide Body pilots.
  • 0930 – 1330 local time on Sunday 15th December for Wide Body pilots.
2. A ban on working on any of the following days:
  • designated days off;
  • duty free days;
  • annual leave days; and
  • long service leave days.
3. A ban on answering phone calls from Jetstar crewing except whilst on standby or during a reassignable contactable period as stipulated in clause 15.1.4 and 15.2.7 of the Roster Protocol.

4. A ban on the performance of any duty that is not on a pilot’s originally published roster, excluding rostered standby.

5. A ban on extending a single or multi-day tour of duty beyond the times stipulated in clause 15 of the Roster Protocol.

These bans (except for the 4-hour stoppages) will initially run until 2359 on 20 December 2019.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 09:00
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Originally Posted by wheels_down
So it seems the ground crews will be causing the disruptions this month, the AFAP are not taking action until next month as they did with TT.
Should be interesting to watch. My guess (from prev experience) is the standard lockout of employees and replacement with strike-breakers.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 09:14
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Good luck everyone, I am watching with interest.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 09:33
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Good Lord, if they're going to trot the moron out that was on the news tonight to dis-credit you, you've got it won.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 09:50
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Originally Posted by Wasi Wasamadroota
4 hour wearing of RED TIES. That will show them!!!!!!!!!!!

errrrrrrr no
What manufactured crisis can Fort Fumble generate?

First class travel, kamikaze and massages...
With zero wage growth and an explosion of personal debt, people broadly are tapped out.
Robber barons like Alan Joyce's $24 million is not a good optic.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 10:08
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This is perfect Jetstar, Shorthaul both EBA’s rejected and LH in a **** spin, this is where we want it, PIA about to happen in Jetstar, I’d suggest agree to nothing and keep these bastards in the lurch, United we win. Hopefully some PIA from shorthaul to reduce their options. If we all stand together we will slaughter them, it’s basic maths, not masters ��
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 11:05
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Originally Posted by The name is Porter
Good Lord, if they're going to trot the moron out that was on the news tonight to dis-credit you, you've got it won.
For all their bravado, they've got some interesting strategies. They have repeatedly said they have no concerns for the ground staff strike, as they have 'strong contingencies in place'. Turn out, that 'strong contingency' is to take a bunch of latte sipping twits from head office, give them a days training and then let them loose, all at the same time, on the heavy ground equipment to load the aircraft.

I wonder if JQ can set a dual world record for the number of 320's sat on their tail / ULD Loaders driven into wings.

I hope someone manages to get video of the Kalmar driving down the M5 never to be seen again.

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Old 6th Dec 2019, 20:18
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Just wanting to offer some assistance to you guys but I don't really know any of the AFAP officials. 12 months ago the Jetstar LAMEs voted in favour of PIA. Ultimately they didn't take action as we settled before then but an interesting thing occurred that I am more than happy to share.

Some clutz of a manager was rushing for a flight and left a folder in an Engineering section. Within the folder were all his notes from every EA meeting, legal advice on how to handle PIA at Jetstar and other associated internal info. Although the docs were predominantly Engineering related, it may give some insight into the company and the way they will tackle PIA.

If someone from AFAP emails me at [email protected] I would be more than happy to forward every piece of info.

cheers and good luck
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 20:25
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The AFAP talking heads need to get onto their media strategy and breakdown this $300k figure the shiny bums are promoting.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 20:55
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I don’t think it really matters anymore. The company is flashing this 300k figure like it’s a bombshell going to knock out any wage claim we may have. In reality, we’re the lowest paid of any pilot group for comparable work and the Afap can prove that.
Add to that the QF exec remuneration and it’s a stupid tactic that really just magnifies managements ridiculous salaries and IR ‘techniques.’

Eaxh and every time there has been an issue with pilot vs company (Insert any of the companies here) the wage card is the first one played. If the general public doesn’t know roughly what a pilot gets paid by now, it’s because they don’t give a sh!t.
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