Jetstar EBA 2019

[ManillaChillaDilla]

Originally Posted by WhiteNight

The union seems to be going above and beyond in an attempt to 'sell' the deal. I thought that was the companies job. A good deal should sell itself? Doesn't sound like this one does... at all..

VERY GOOD POINT.

I think everyone who understands industrial relations is sus on the hard sell from the union. Their constant emails look like something of the TV shopping network at 0300 am.

It all smacks of pushing it through before the IR laws change early next year. All the more reason to consider carefully your vote.

Time to value your contribution to record profits and ask why YOU are not worth what your contemporaries in other entities are.

MCD

[Willie Nelson]

Do you really think this is “Sus”? I mean, there’s all sorts of reasons why you might have a legitimate take on voting no for this agreement but how about we leave the character assassinations out of the discussion. These are your colleagues who have been negotiating on your behalf now for literally years.

There were nominations recently for council, you too were free to put your hand up and potentially provide some fresh ideas.

Let’s play the ball not the man.

[RealSatoshi]

RBA deputy governor Michele Bullock has said: "...it is now not expecting inflation to fall back below the top of its 2-3% target range until 2025."
(ABC News - 10 November 2022)

[Willie Nelson]

Originally Posted by RealSatoshi

RBA deputy governor Michele Bullock has said: "...it is now not expecting inflation to fall back below the top of its 2-3% target range until 2025."
(ABC News - 10 November 2022)

And that's before an RBA review that will likely ammend the mandate of the RBA to a greater list of metrics above and beyond a higher inflation target.

[Mr_App]

With the amount of A320 leases that have not been renewed looks like the A321N might be domestic bound for the moment. Seems like 10 A320s are going back to the lessor as we speak. It also appears a whole bunch of old transferred Japan and Vietnam leases fall away next year, assuming they are also 10 years, they don't seem too keen on renewing at the moment.

[Icarus2001]

Is that the same RBA that said in 2021 that rates would not rise until 2024?

https://7news.com.au/business/rba-st...2024-c-4154222

They carry on as if they have control just like politicians, look what a mess they have made of our power market, not to mention the Covid debacle.

They don’t bloody know where inflation or rates are going, or when.

[dive and drive]

We clearly deserve to be treated the way Jetstar treats us.

Unlike what management did in recent times with other group entities engaged in bargaining, they didn't even have to issue the threat of transferring our flying or assigning new arrivals in the fleet to someone else.

We'll always be third class citizens and, judging from the ballot data, the majority of us has no problems with it.

[LostontheLOC]

Originally Posted by dive and drive

We clearly deserve to be treated the way Jetstar treats us.

Unlike what management did in recent times with other group entities engaged in bargaining, they didn't even have to issue the threat of transferring our flying or assigning new arrivals in the fleet to someone else.

We'll always be third class citizens and, judging from the ballot data, the majority of us has no problems with it.

Well said, good luck and congratulations to everyone who voted to keep the pilot base several steps behind the minimum standard.

Saving cents to waste thousands.... Fools

[ManillaChillaDilla]

Let the continued whinging re conditions and work life ballance continue.

Ironically, you will never find one operson that voted for it when the reality of a rubbish deal sets in.

Unfortunately, the majority are happy to maintain the low ball status quo and as such deserve nothing more. Once again we are a laughing stock.

Pathetically dissapointing.

MCD

[onezeroonethree]

66% yes vote I am told and about 93% voted. But during what seems to be the biggest pilot exodus in my time in the industry with a genuine shortage of experienced pilots flocking to USA where you can get a $100,000 USD sign on bonus up front, and/or go double or tripple your salary in general, why on earth did they vote yes to the first option handed to them?

0/0/3/3 pay rise? Inflation is 7.5? Whatever they got was mostly just to bump those FO/SOs who are below the award?

Caved in. No right to complain

[xaos03]

By the looks the new proposed has been voted in and will be put forward. For those that are/were considering jq; what is the new first year(s) salary and new (apparent) benefits?

[PoppaJo]

Originally Posted by xaos03

and new (apparent) benefits?

That wasn’t negotiated this agreement. Come back another time.

Farewell AFAP. Thanks for nothing over the years. One of most useless and pathetic attempts at bargaining I have ever been apart of. The union and airline are both an embarrassment, they deserve each other.

[goodonyamate]

Wowzer. I’m shocked that got up. Terrible deal. Feel for the ‘No’ voters that are stuck with that pile of crap. Probably even shocked the company negotiators. Must be rolling in the street laughing over at QCC.

[Mr_App]

Cadets are easily led on so you can guarantee the lot of them voted for it. Senior FOs and Captains will likely form the base of the "NO". An aged and senior pilot base would likely vote differently. The young kids have no idea (well they will have an idea one day when they look back...oh shit I voted for that...?).

[Slippery_Pete]

0/0/3/3

Tell me you’re joking?

You agreed to a total of 6% rise over four years when the CPI over that same period is expected to be 17%?

Hell, 6% doesn’t even cover inflation for this year alone.

And in an environment where there’s a severe nationwide pilot shortage that has only just begun, with every domestic jet flight in Australia booked out weeks in advance with record high airfares, and a parent company who are predicted to make $1.3b profit in six months.

It defies logic that one person voted for this, let alone 66%.

[LostontheLOC]

There is a clause in the contract that allows for any other subsidiary that achieves over a "0/0/3/3" pay, the contract will revert back to a "equal amount" of the pay increase..

So if the engineering unit gets a ,3/3/3/3 the whole jetstar base will receive the pay increase and back pay across the board.

Let's hope this happens. Hopefully the engineering section is the best of all of us.

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by Mr_App

Senior FOs and Captains will likely form the base of the "NO".

So why was it 66% Yes then? A lot of Senior FOs and Capts must’ve voted for it. With pay increases below inflation what was the carrot dangled?

[LostontheLOC]

Originally Posted by dr dre

So why was it 66% Yes then? A lot of Senior FOs and Capts must’ve voted for it. With pay increases below inflation what was the carrot dangled?

Fear, misguidance and mismanagement from the union, and fatigue.

Should have seen one of the write up a union rep put up in the telegram chat giving a massive sob story about how they couldn't afford to do PIA because they have a "young family".

[Chronic Snoozer]

Management would have been disappointed the Yes vote was that high. Must have given away a bit too much. Much better to have the vote split 55/45. And I mean that in a completely impartial way. Never underestimate the propensity for pilots to fight amongst themselves.

[goodonyamate]

So what do y’all do now? Leave AFAP? What a terrible deal.