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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 03:31
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Its absolutely time to move on. Paticularly if your stuck on the 320 and about to experience your new lifestyle or lack there of.

I feel sorry for those guys.

Reality bites. Hard.

Good luck to all.

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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 04:57
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Originally Posted by SHVC
If this utopia exist, I think I need to go now JQ has run its course.
If I had stayed at the regional I was at, I would’ve grossed $400k usd.

Fortunately the private departments (at least the good ones), are also keeping pace with wages too and seeing base salaries higher than that on the large cabin gulfstream/Falcon side.
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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 05:34
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Go to the US young man, the land of milk and honey. Yes, you may get Detroit for 6 months but if you don't like Detroit, guess what..........don't ****en apply to the airline that has a base there. Or commute with positive space or commuter hotels. Smash the 401k, pump it full of USD for when you come back, spend enough time there and you won't be returning to a cesspit job in Aus, you'll be fishing from the deck of your beach shack.

Be secure in the knowledge that all the dickheads won't be following you to the US, they're the ones carrying on about Detroit, they'll be staying in Aus calculating the compound 3% payrise and telling you it's not really 3% it's about 3.11% in year two, awesome bruh. Meanwhile you'll be working out what the compound effect of a first up100% bump in your hourly rate means to the 401k balance.

Land of milk and honey, and oh yeah, land of pilot unions that don't sell out their junior members.
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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 06:15
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Originally Posted by tossbag
Go to the US young man, the land of milk and honey. Yes, you may get Detroit for 6 months but if you don't like Detroit, guess what..........don't ****en apply to the airline that has a base there. Or commute with positive space or commuter hotels. Smash the 401k, pump it full of USD for when you come back, spend enough time there and you won't be returning to a cesspit job in Aus, you'll be fishing from the deck of your beach shack.

Be secure in the knowledge that all the dickheads won't be following you to the US, they're the ones carrying on about Detroit, they'll be staying in Aus calculating the compound 3% payrise and telling you it's not really 3% it's about 3.11% in year two, awesome bruh. Meanwhile you'll be working out what the compound effect of a first up100% bump in your hourly rate means to the 401k balance.

Land of milk and honey, and oh yeah, land of pilot unions that don't sell out their junior members.
You guys really are a bunch of clowns on here
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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 06:22
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Given how easy it is to transition to the US I don’t see it so irrelevant at all.
If only I could transition my parents, siblings, relatives and friends there too, as well the local footy club and all my other other local favourite establishments too.
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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 06:52
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Originally Posted by FOI
You guys really are a bunch of clowns on here
How is he a clown? He is literally telling it for how it is

a) It is easy to get a base that is not DTW
b) It is easy to make the same amount of money as Australia, in the US, with less work
c) The pay rise here is 3% a year
d) American pilot unions do have bigger cojones

But yes, keep telling yourself you are on an awesome wicket in 'straya with your payrise below inflation
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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 08:09
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Originally Posted by Gunner747400
How is he a clown? He is literally telling it for how it is

a) It is easy to get a base that is not DTW
b) It is easy to make the same amount of money as Australia, in the US, with less work
c) The pay rise here is 3% a year
d) American pilot unions do have bigger cojones

But yes, keep telling yourself you are on an awesome wicket in 'straya with your payrise below inflation
I agree. I personally recommend as many of you head to the US as possible.
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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 08:44
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Originally Posted by a_pilot
If only I could transition my parents, siblings, relatives and friends there too, as well the local footy club and all my other other local favourite establishments too.
Thats all good and well until your company closes your preferred base and gives you the option of unemployment or move to some other city where you have no one. Think it’ll never happen to you? Never say never son.
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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 08:52
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
Thats all good and well until your company closes your preferred base and gives you the option of unemployment or move to some other city where you have no one. Think it’ll never happen to you? Never say never son.
Or live in a country with a crazy political system, with a population all packing guns, sweating on the next economic down turn triggered by a war your host country regularly engages in, where all the already unwanted expat “guests” get furloughed first in a heartbeat from their fixed term contracts. Wouldn’t happen either would it….

If half the bull****e being bandied around regarding salaries for US regionals on here were true, pure economics dictates that a regional airline paying pilots 400K USD is instantly doomed the moment a blip in the economy eventuates. No way that could occur given inflation & world events either eh??

But seriously, I couldn’t give a stuff about greedy, arrogant, comparatively inexperienced self professed “professional pilots” viciously moaning on this thread about how badly treated they are on six figure salaries now bolstered in a recent 21% + + payrise here in the best country on Earth. F&ck off over there and give the rest of us some peace. Apparently according to half you imbeciles these companies are falling over themselves to have you.

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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 14:36
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...I couldn’t give a stuff about greedy, arrogant, comparatively inexperienced self professed “professional pilots” viciously moaning about how badly treated they are on six figure salaries now bolstered in a recent 21% + + payrise...
By far the most insulting comment with reference to one's own colleagues ever witnessed on here - you must've escaped Kindergarten with the teacher's scientific calculator in hand.
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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 16:50
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Originally Posted by RealSatoshi
By far the most insulting comment with reference to one's own colleagues ever witnessed on here - you must've escaped Kindergarten with the teacher's scientific calculator in hand.
“Escaped kindergarten with the teachers scientific calculator in hand?”

My “colleagues” I don’t consider to be a collective of certain idiots posting on this thread.

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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 19:39
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Originally Posted by RFN
FOI, go and count your money (or lack of it) because types like you and the other "yes" voters have just signed up on a deal that will remind you of COVID for not 3 years, but the next 30 years....

Now thats an accurate summation.

Its the younger pilots in this organisation that have been hard shafted by those bound up in self interest. I really do feel for the young pilots.

Time to close this thread. The topic has run its course. 66% of JQ pilolts are happy to be treated with distain. Unfortunately, thats the end of the story. It is however, democracy at work.

Abusive ranting from the main antagonist on this thread only serve to further deteriorate the already trashed reputations of those working at JQ. Except for the 34%ers.

Best of luck to those understandably moving on or out over the next while.


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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 21:00
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The topic has run its course. 66% of JQ pilolts are happy to be treated with distain. Unfortunately, thats the end of the story. It is however, democracy at work.
Well done MCD bringing some maturity and perspective to this thread. The rantings of some (well one really) just reinforces why I would never join the AFAP as a union to represent me. From last century to this EBA they continue to ignore what their members actually want and will dictate what is good for the pilots. As for Jetstar I will quote "Bomber" Harris: "They sowed the wind,and now they are going to reap the whirlwind."

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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 21:17
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Like that other QF group entity that recently had a terrible EB forced upon them, this so called victory by the QF industrial brutes was gained through fear alone. Of the 66% that voted yes, I guarantee 90% of those felt they had no choice. Also like that other QF group entity, plummeting morale will now cripple the operation.
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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 22:41
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plummeting morale will now cripple the operation.
​​​​​​​Very true, thats why I quoted AVM Harris.
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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 23:06
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Meanwhile, QF FA’s just had a 99% yes vote to commence Industrial Action…….
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Old 24th Nov 2022, 00:10
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Meanwhile, QF FA’s just had a 99% yes vote to commence Industrial Action…….
How dare you compare pilots to flight attendants.... They earn so much less than us, and must not be compared to us!

/sarcasm.

To be serious though, good on 'em. Sounds like engineers are heading down the same path too.
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Old 24th Nov 2022, 00:45
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But seriously, I couldn’t give a stuff about greedy, arrogant, comparatively inexperienced self professed “professional pilots” viciously moaning on this thread about how badly treated they are on six figure salaries now bolstered in a recent 21% + + payrise here in the best country on Earth. F&ck off over there and give the rest of us some peace. Apparently according to half you imbeciles these companies are falling over themselves to have you.
Quite the ranter, doesn't like getting called out for what he is. A sellout with no spine.
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Old 24th Nov 2022, 01:17
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Quite the ranter, doesn't like getting called out for what he is. A sellout with no spine.
Probably wonders why all the FOs keep calling in sick on him/her too.
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Old 24th Nov 2022, 03:20
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Originally Posted by cLeArIcE
Probably wonders why all the FOs keep calling in sick on him/her too.
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