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Old 15th Dec 2019, 23:58
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Originally Posted by SandyPalms
I’d say the 3 787’s they are “considering selling” would be the rumoured aircraft earmarked to join mainline. I’d doubt the PIA has anything to do with it. Don’t let the bastards get you down.
Agreed, we are losing money on these routes and what a perfect excuse to shift the blame to someone else to make me look like a decisive and bold manager so I can continue receiving my obscene salary.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 00:05
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Of note is that they have said they’ll make a decision in March, which I read as ‘pull you’re heads in by March, or you’ll loose your shiny jets’
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 00:08
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Agreed, trying to tie it to your action. What a load of crap. They will do what they want with the jets regardless. JQ are getting a stack of 321 etc anyway, probably better for career progression! The public comments are mostly on your side, as they should be if they knew the truth rather than the rubbish the CEO spits out about the working hours and salary.

shame there are no journalists anymore
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 00:31
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Reading some of this, I’m convinced some of you must be blind stumbling around without a cane.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 01:58
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Originally Posted by SandyPalms
I’d say the 3 787’s they are “considering selling” would be the rumoured aircraft earmarked to join mainline. I’d doubt the PIA has anything to do with it. Don’t let the bastards get you down.
Sure thing Gareth, how about you show everybody the preferential interest.
Selling what you don't own is a felony.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 02:29
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So after that email last week have any pilots actually been withdrawn from work this week?
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 03:03
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
Why would the Management pilots from Jetstar NZ not be able to fly in Australia? They are not Union members, and are on contracts that Inassume exceed the FWA Award rate. As far as I know the restriction on NZ crew flying in Australia is just an agreement between AFAP and Jetstar so I am guessing can be breached in situations when that relationship is strained. NZAPLA members were sent advice that if on STBY and required to work in Australia then they would have too but were asked to think carefully before volunteering to do so for WDO’s.

Ummmm it’s a NZ contract. Having a foreign contract working in aus territory is no no from memory? (Not having a dig, I thought that’s how it worked?)

This is what stops plummet airways starting up with Thai/Indonesian/bombay salary and conditions.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 03:12
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Originally Posted by Rated De
Sure thing Gareth, how about you show everybody the preferential interest.
Selling what you don't own is a felony.
Seems only a select few people received it. I'm not sure if it was withdrawn or sent to targeted people. It was quite real however, and what sparked AFAPs backdown from partial work bans.

Shame, a golden opportunity missed. JQ electing to shut down for an entire week during the busiest period of the year because pilots refused to answer their phones outside of standby or duty periods would have been a gift that hurt them immeasurably more than it would have hurt us.

Still, it isn't over yet.

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Old 16th Dec 2019, 03:14
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Well there were a couple of Jetstar NZ pilots flying domestically in Australia over the weekend who were there after being called from STBY. I don’t see any difference to when the NZ pilots complete their line training in Australia. The no domestic sectors and an EBA pilot on the Jumpseat during training are just agreements between the company and the union and are obviously out the window during the dispute. What stops Thai etc doing something similar is that their nationals don’t have an automatic right to live and work in Australia so there would be visa issues for them. For the NZ pilots it comes down to how much flying Jetstar can get away with before the FWA Awards should apply and that is for AFAP to challenge or accept I guess.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 04:13
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Originally Posted by Gear in transit
Ummmm it’s a NZ contract. Having a foreign contract working in aus territory is no no from memory? (Not having a dig, I thought that’s how it worked?)

This is what stops plummet airways starting up with Thai/Indonesian/bombay salary and conditions.
That may be true for a ‘Thai/Indonesian/bombay’ airline but not for out bro’s over the ditch. New Zealand is cover by the ‘Australia-New Zealand open skies agreement’ and Civil Aviation Mutual Recognition Act. These allow airlines and pilots from either side of the Tasman to operate in either country as if it were their own and with no need for a separate AOC.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 06:53
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If anything, todays announcement regarding a proposed 787 fleet reduction shows that they are feeling the heat from PIA. Desperation is setting in. An announcement like this to scare the troops was expected, but not this soon. Not everyone can be played for a fool Gareth!
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 07:11
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If anything, todays announcement regarding a proposed 787 fleet reduction shows that they are feeling the heat from PIA. Desperation is setting in. An announcement like this to scare the troops was expected, but not this soon. Not everyone can be played for a fool Gareth!
Taking the opportunity to have that as a narrative for something they are considering/have decided perhaps
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 07:59
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Originally Posted by dragon man


Agreed, we are losing money on these routes and what a perfect excuse to shift the blame to someone else to make me look like a decisive and bold manager so I can continue receiving my obscene salary.
Probably just moving them across to mainline for a repaint/refurb. Perfect time - just as JQ hits the January slump amid the economic confidence crisis. JQ's had the benefit of them while they were still the golden-haired child of the organisation, now let Dad pick up the tab for a respray and any Majors due, then try to make some proper money out of them. Oh, and then Mini-Napoleon can claim that they're new airframes they're investing in for Project Skyfail, or whatever...
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 08:02
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Now threatening to sack 50 pilots and demote 50 more.....
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 08:18
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Now threatening to sack 50 pilots and demote 50 more.....
Public threat?
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 08:24
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Jetstar cuts January flights in response to industrial action

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...533ea1721bc358

Fallout from industrial action at Jetstar could see up to 50 pilots lose their jobs and another 50 demoted due to a reduction in the airline’s Boeing 787-8 fleet.

The low fares carrier has today flagged the possibility of three 787-8s being sold following a network and fleet review in the face of dwindling profits.

The Australian understands that would mean the loss of as many as 50 pilots while another 50 could be redeployed to less senior roles across the network.

It comes after Jetstar warned it would not give in to pilots’ demands for upfront pay rises it says amount to 15 per cent.

The Australian Federation of Air Pilots has denied they are seeking that much and have urged Jetstar to return to the negotiating table.

Jetstar announced on Monday the cancellation of 800 domestic flights in January, equivalent to 10 per cent of their schedule, to provide passengers with certainty in the face of ongoing disruption.

More than 90 services were axed on the weekend due to four-hour stoppages by pilots on Saturday and Sunday and strikes by ground crew, including baggage handlers.

Combined with the reduced services in January, Jetstar estimated it would lose between $20m and $25m in revenue over the summer holiday period.

CEO Gareth Evans said the wage claims being made by the AFAP and the Transport Workers Union were unsustainable.

“There’s no doubt that industrial action is expensive and frustrating but we have to hold the line on costs or it threatens the long term sustainability of our business,” Mr Evans said.

“We apologise to customers whose plans have been caught up in what the unions are doing.”

AFAP executive director Simon Lutton said they were frustrated by Jetstar “continually inventing figures to suit themselves”.

“Is is highly convenient for Jetstar management to claim that two four-hour work stoppages over the weekend will result in flight cancellations in January when no pilot action is planned past this Friday (December 20),” Mr Lutton said.

“Our aim is to reach a fair and reasonable agreement. It is important that Jetstar returns to the bargaining table to reach a resolution.”

TWU national secretary Michael Kaine said they were appalled Jetstar would “pull the plug” on passengers’ holiday plans.

“With the money Jetstar is spending on cancelling flights and upsetting holiday plans it could have solved this issue by now,” Mr Kaine said.

“Our claims are modest. All the average baggage and ramp worker is looking for is at most an extra 90 cents an hour; that means for many an increase of just $19 a week.”

Weakness in the low cost leisure market has been dogging Jetstar since the May federal election and there has been speculation of a reduction in fleet size for some time.

The review undertaken by the airline identified three 787-8s serving loss-making and marginal international routes, and a business case developed to sell the aircraft.

A final decision will be made early next year with capital from the sales to be reinvested in other parts of the Qantas Group.

Jetstar currently operates 11 787-8s and 51 A320s and A321s.

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Old 16th Dec 2019, 09:03
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That article is behind a paywall dood, any chance you could copy and paste?
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 09:07
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That article is behind a paywall dood, any chance you could copy and paste?
done... I’ve edited and added the text
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 09:21
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As if they are going to sack 50 pilots lol, god these are kindergarten media releases, they can hardly get enough pilots let alone start sacking them lol, amateur hour in the Jetstar tactics room!
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Fallout from industrial action at Jetstar could see up to 50 pilots lose their jobs and another 50 demoted due to a reduction in the airline’s Boeing 787-8 fleet.

Totally unrelated issue somehow tied together!
More f@#$&%* lies!!!
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