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Old 15th Dec 2019, 09:49
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I imagine it would only be a problem if they were on inferior contracts to the Australian based Jetstar pilots.
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Old 15th Dec 2019, 16:09
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I wonder what the secret company surprise that is reportedly going to be sprung on Monday is ?
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Old 15th Dec 2019, 17:29
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Why would the Management pilots from Jetstar NZ not be able to fly in Australia? They are not Union members, and are on contracts that Inassume exceed the FWA Award rate. As far as I know the restriction on NZ crew flying in Australia is just an agreement between AFAP and Jetstar so I am guessing can be breached in situations when that relationship is strained. NZAPLA members were sent advice that if on STBY and required to work in Australia then they would have too but were asked to think carefully before volunteering to do so for WDO’s.
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Old 15th Dec 2019, 23:39
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https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...16-p53kal.html

So Jetstar have some loss making routes and they try to tie them in with a pilots dispute!
Pure genius!
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Old 15th Dec 2019, 23:51
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I’d say the 3 787’s they are “considering selling” would be the rumoured aircraft earmarked to join mainline. I’d doubt the PIA has anything to do with it. Don’t let the bastards get you down.
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Old 15th Dec 2019, 23:57
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Browsing through the comments sections in the articles on the JQ action in The Australian.

For what its worth, it’s probably the most anti-union audience in the country, yet many, if not most of the comments seem to be supportive of the ‘fight’, or at least suggesting management salaries are the ones out of touch.

For those worried about public perception, your calm and measured approach to this action is probably paying off. Well done. Stay strong.
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Old 15th Dec 2019, 23:58
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Originally Posted by SandyPalms View Post
I’d say the 3 787’s they are “considering selling” would be the rumoured aircraft earmarked to join mainline. I’d doubt the PIA has anything to do with it. Don’t let the bastards get you down.
Agreed, we are losing money on these routes and what a perfect excuse to shift the blame to someone else to make me look like a decisive and bold manager so I can continue receiving my obscene salary.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 00:05
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Of note is that they have said they’ll make a decision in March, which I read as ‘pull you’re heads in by March, or you’ll loose your shiny jets’
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 00:08
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Agreed, trying to tie it to your action. What a load of crap. They will do what they want with the jets regardless. JQ are getting a stack of 321 etc anyway, probably better for career progression! The public comments are mostly on your side, as they should be if they knew the truth rather than the rubbish the CEO spits out about the working hours and salary.

shame there are no journalists anymore
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 00:31
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Reading some of this, I’m convinced some of you must be blind stumbling around without a cane.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 01:58
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Originally Posted by SandyPalms View Post
I’d say the 3 787’s they are “considering selling” would be the rumoured aircraft earmarked to join mainline. I’d doubt the PIA has anything to do with it. Don’t let the bastards get you down.
Sure thing Gareth, how about you show everybody the preferential interest.
Selling what you don't own is a felony.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 02:29
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So after that email last week have any pilots actually been withdrawn from work this week?
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 03:03
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion View Post
Why would the Management pilots from Jetstar NZ not be able to fly in Australia? They are not Union members, and are on contracts that Inassume exceed the FWA Award rate. As far as I know the restriction on NZ crew flying in Australia is just an agreement between AFAP and Jetstar so I am guessing can be breached in situations when that relationship is strained. NZAPLA members were sent advice that if on STBY and required to work in Australia then they would have too but were asked to think carefully before volunteering to do so for WDO’s.

Ummmm it’s a NZ contract. Having a foreign contract working in aus territory is no no from memory? (Not having a dig, I thought that’s how it worked?)

This is what stops plummet airways starting up with Thai/Indonesian/bombay salary and conditions.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 03:12
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Originally Posted by Rated De View Post
Sure thing Gareth, how about you show everybody the preferential interest.
Selling what you don't own is a felony.
Seems only a select few people received it. I'm not sure if it was withdrawn or sent to targeted people. It was quite real however, and what sparked AFAPs backdown from partial work bans.

Shame, a golden opportunity missed. JQ electing to shut down for an entire week during the busiest period of the year because pilots refused to answer their phones outside of standby or duty periods would have been a gift that hurt them immeasurably more than it would have hurt us.

Still, it isn't over yet.

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Old 16th Dec 2019, 03:14
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Well there were a couple of Jetstar NZ pilots flying domestically in Australia over the weekend who were there after being called from STBY. I don’t see any difference to when the NZ pilots complete their line training in Australia. The no domestic sectors and an EBA pilot on the Jumpseat during training are just agreements between the company and the union and are obviously out the window during the dispute. What stops Thai etc doing something similar is that their nationals don’t have an automatic right to live and work in Australia so there would be visa issues for them. For the NZ pilots it comes down to how much flying Jetstar can get away with before the FWA Awards should apply and that is for AFAP to challenge or accept I guess.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 04:13
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Originally Posted by Gear in transit View Post
Ummmm it’s a NZ contract. Having a foreign contract working in aus territory is no no from memory? (Not having a dig, I thought that’s how it worked?)

This is what stops plummet airways starting up with Thai/Indonesian/bombay salary and conditions.
That may be true for a ‘Thai/Indonesian/bombay’ airline but not for out bro’s over the ditch. New Zealand is cover by the ‘Australia-New Zealand open skies agreement’ and Civil Aviation Mutual Recognition Act. These allow airlines and pilots from either side of the Tasman to operate in either country as if it were their own and with no need for a separate AOC.
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 06:53
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If anything, todays announcement regarding a proposed 787 fleet reduction shows that they are feeling the heat from PIA. Desperation is setting in. An announcement like this to scare the troops was expected, but not this soon. Not everyone can be played for a fool Gareth!
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 07:11
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Originally Posted by 2theline View Post
If anything, todays announcement regarding a proposed 787 fleet reduction shows that they are feeling the heat from PIA. Desperation is setting in. An announcement like this to scare the troops was expected, but not this soon. Not everyone can be played for a fool Gareth!
Taking the opportunity to have that as a narrative for something they are considering/have decided perhaps
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 07:59
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Agreed, we are losing money on these routes and what a perfect excuse to shift the blame to someone else to make me look like a decisive and bold manager so I can continue receiving my obscene salary.
Probably just moving them across to mainline for a repaint/refurb. Perfect time - just as JQ hits the January slump amid the economic confidence crisis. JQ's had the benefit of them while they were still the golden-haired child of the organisation, now let Dad pick up the tab for a respray and any Majors due, then try to make some proper money out of them. Oh, and then Mini-Napoleon can claim that they're new airframes they're investing in for Project Skyfail, or whatever...
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Old 16th Dec 2019, 08:02
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Now threatening to sack 50 pilots and demote 50 more.....
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