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Old 18th May 2018, 12:31
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Think of it as your first experience of Virgin/Tiger decision making. You wont understand it even if you tried.....
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Old 18th May 2018, 16:56
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I used to be involved in recruitment but can no longer stand to be involved. HR are ruining airlines from the inside and I am horrified by your experience at their hands. I bet the chief pilot and other pilots involved in the process aren’t even aware you were rejected. Given, you met the requirements otherwise, You would think something along the lines of “you have jets and I have a pulse” should have been all the response they needed.
Unbelievable. Good Luck with the “Virgin” recruitment experience.
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Old 18th May 2018, 23:42
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Hi Chadzat and Jimnhorace,

Thanks for the information, yes I don't understand the decision , from looking form the oustside of Virgin/Tiger you don't see how the insides work, As I am in my 40s and looking at finishing my career in the "shinny new jet" I thought I would have an opportunity in Australia to do that, Looks like I head off overseas. Thanks
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Old 19th May 2018, 00:17
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Can you still apply for tiger if you are in hold file with VA
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Old 19th May 2018, 00:46
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Its great to get a gig in Aus with a major. Its not the end of the world if you don't however. The main thing when travelling or working abroad is to understand that you aren't in Australia anymore and just because they do things differently doesn't mean they're wrong.

Maybe it happened for a reason, maybe in 3 years time you'll say "thank god". I know people that were exactly your same boat. 10 years later they've seen the world and flown the big jets. The've enjoyed it and good on them. It all comes down to how you handle the situation, treat it as a challenge and an adventure and you won't go wrong.
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Old 19th May 2018, 01:10
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Easier to give someone a far fetched reason for being unsuitable than to come clean and face a discrimination case.
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Old 19th May 2018, 02:16
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Originally Posted by Gligg View Post
Easier to give someone a far fetched reason for being unsuitable than to come clean and face a discrimination case.
I think you may have nailed it.
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Old 19th May 2018, 02:33
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HR is such a token department. They create more work and more expense for any organisation - that's about it. Apparently some companies are cancelling flights due to crew shortages yet HR are knocking people back for this sort of nonsense.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 00:26
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I got a call a while back from HR at Virgin offering some feed back from my interview which I was very appreciative of.......... HR - You're not successful at this time as we were not sure on your motivation to work for Virgin. Me - But you asked me in the interview whether I would take a job with Tiger or Virgin so it seems a little strange that you would question my motivation to work for Virgin alone. HR- Ummmmmmmmm. HR - On a positive note you're sim was above average. Me- Great so I've demonstrated I have the ability to learn to fly the aircraft, so should be suitable for employment as an FO? HR - Well no. And also you need to learn more about our company and our aircraft types, numbers etc. Me - I know those and you didn't ask me a single question on any of the aforementioned topics. HR - Hmmmmmmmmmm. You can re-apply in 12 months. Me - Thank you kindly for the feedback.

I won't be applying again.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 01:03
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Good strategy, bunghole, you show them. The grapes are probably sour anyway.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 01:28
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I got a call a while back from HR at Virgin offering some feed back from my interview which I was very appreciative of.......... HR - You're not successful at this time as we were not sure on your motivation to work for Virgin. Me - But you asked me in the interview whether I would take a job with Tiger or Virgin so it seems a little strange that you would question my motivation to work for Virgin alone. HR- Ummmmmmmmm. HR - On a positive note you're sim was above average. Me- Great so I've demonstrated I have the ability to learn to fly the aircraft, so should be suitable for employment as an FO? HR - Well no. And also you need to learn more about our company and our aircraft types, numbers etc. Me - I know those and you didn't ask me a single question on any of the aforementioned topics. HR - Hmmmmmmmmmm. You can re-apply in 12 months. Me - Thank you kindly for the feedback.

I won't be applying again.


hey sorry to hear that. When did u interview???
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Old 23rd May 2018, 01:53
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I love how after someone has a gripe or a whinge about a company someone always comes back with "sour grapes".
The hiring practices of some companies beggars belief and the way some people are treated is appalling. Sure some people come on hear and it is is sour grapes but judging by the amount of horror HR stories finding their way onto PPRuNe I would say that it's a growing problem.

If Qlink/Rex etc guys and girls feel that the only way their career will progress is to go to the Middle East we have a problem.
When a HR person says no to a local pilot due to "motivation" but then turn around and say we have a pilot shortage shows massive flaws in the management of Australian air opertors
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Old 23rd May 2018, 07:19
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What a load of HR crap.... when has HR ever been good for a company?

The irony being people are still getting yes from the 1st year University HR muppet, then leaving in the lead up to the training to take jobs elsewhere.. so HR can’t judge excrement about “motivation”....
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Old 23rd May 2018, 12:58
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No sour grapes here. Just don't believe the court of common sense exists in any way shape or form in this day and age.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 13:17
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Heard a story (factual) of Australian trained pilot went overseas and got a big jet F/O job. Returned several years later for an interview with one of the domestic airlines. Interview board was one HR lady and a company pilot. On being introduced, both pilots looked at each other and realised they had learned to fly at the same flying school. To the concern of the interview board pilot, the other guy shook his hand vigorously and gave him a big bear hug with a "Gooday Maaate - haven't seen you for yonks - how yer been?"
Not exactly the way to impress an interview board one would think.. They weren't and the result showed that.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 19:17
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Sure that was inappropriate but what is your point?

​​​​​​A very good friend of mine had her interview resheduled 3 times and by the time she finally got there was told she didn't meet the recency requirements, which she would have even by the second reschedule. This was on top of changing her flight 3 times which cost a fortune.

HR simply exist to serve themselves.

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Old 23rd May 2018, 20:13
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bunghole, whilst 99% of our inner reactions would be the same as yours I think you should focus on the end goal whatever that may be. If in a years time you haven’t made a step toward that goal via other means (QF Etc) id advise you to reapply. 1000’s of pilots better than you and I get rejected all over the world every year for a variety of reasons. It’s not personal and even if you get the job it’s not like the employer is now your friend. It’s a workplace you give them your professional time and hey pay you. Just take it on the chin and rise above it like you would any failure during the career. If you’ve made it this far I’m sure you’ve seen a couple. HR are in charge of it and there’s no going back, play the game on the day.
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Old 24th May 2018, 01:43
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Bereal I disagree, the only way for bunghole to show VA's (admittedly terrible) HR department the errors of their ways is to boycott. They'll come crawling back in no time, probably with a 777 Technical Pilot position offer! That'll show em!
Bunghole, stay strong! Don't reapply. The system will crumble in no time! In no way is that attitude cutting off your nose despite your face while throwing a baby out with a bathtub full of mixed metaphors!

The only alternative I can see is treating the recruitment process as a silly and annoying hurdle you have to jump over just the once to get to a flight deck office with roughly 1,564 mostly very god colleagues flying safe aeroplanes in Australia. But what would I know.
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Old 24th May 2018, 03:43
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Richard Branson was once told about a cleaner that worked for Virgin Trains and the exceptional job she did. Branson met her in person and asked why she hadn't applied to be a customer service officer or conducter?
"I have applied" she said. I never get past the application stage.
Apparently after this meeting he called his head of HR and asked why he was rejecting good people!

So Goat Whisperer in response to your tongue in cheek comment, HR get it wrong far more often than they should.
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Old 24th May 2018, 04:28
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Goat Whisperer. I was only putting up my experience in line with some of the previous posts to highlight that I don't particularly understand HR and the recruiting process not only at Virgin but all all Australian airlines. Motivation? It's not enough to study the process, take time off from your job, fly all over the country and pay for accommodation to go through said process. Is that not showing that you are motivated? I suspect they have plenty of candidates to choose from so I'm no great loss and not for a minute suggesting I was. I simply don't get how you can apply for a job as a PILOT fly a sim to a reasonable standard, meet all the pre-requisites and because they don't particularly like a response to a HR type question, out you go. Back to my point common sense is non existent and I'm sure it has something to do with HR justifying their very existence. What happened to a pilot sitting opposite you to see if you were a good guy/gal, throwing you in the sim to see if you could actually do what you said you could and off you go? But so be it. Not disgruntled just a little dumbfounded and probably dumb to some degree. Will try again with another carrier. Each time I become more HR aware which can't be a bad thing.

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