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Old 12th May 2018, 09:11
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Originally Posted by Bumble_Pilot
Impossible to tell. I know people that got a start date pretty much the second they walked out the door, others have been on the hold for 8 months and havenít been told anything. Seems like if you have what they want (TT, multi/turbine, MCC, multi crew time etc) then youíre straight in or else you wait for them to have no choice to give you a start date
Aviation equivalent........of the ''Friendzone''
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Old 13th May 2018, 12:30
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Completely disagree with Anonfly

If youíre on the hold file wanting a 737 slot then I think youíre in for a long wait. Tiger Pilots are able to come across stating June. Cadets ( ab-initial ) will be going direct to 737 due to lack of experienced training captains on the ATR. ( due to there is only 6 ATRs) Also one look at the seniority list will show a lot of NZ based pilots are about to come out of freeze and some I know wanna come back not to mention the SOs that are due out of freeze in the next 6mths.

My advice is to take the ATR, 777, F100 or a tiger position and get yourself on the GDOJ list.

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Old 14th May 2018, 01:27
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I don't believe the post above to be correct. Cadets DEFO on Aus 737 unlikely. Most are eartagged to 777 SO seats. Some to ATR. The 777 does have the training capacity that Inceptheading rightly identifies the ATR is lacking. It would alienate and further piss off existing ATR/F100/737NZ/777SO crew if cadets were given 737 Aus.
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Old 14th May 2018, 06:12
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Originally Posted by Goat Whisperer
I don't believe the post above to be correct. Cadets DEFO on Aus 737 unlikely. Most are eartagged to 777 SO seats. Some to ATR. The 777 does have the training capacity that Inceptheading rightly identifies the ATR is lacking. It would alienate and further piss off existing ATR/F100/737NZ/777SO crew if cadets were given 737 Aus.
That said, the company could save a whole lot of angst amongst those pilot groups if they just came out and said so.
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Old 14th May 2018, 07:17
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Has anyone from hold file heard anything yet??? Starting to completely give up
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Old 14th May 2018, 07:24
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Wrong Goat.

Itís a fact. Ab-inito cadets are going to 737.

Not the 777 or the ATR, they need to fly not sit in the back. If you donít believe me, ring the unions.

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Old 15th May 2018, 01:38
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I also heard rumours that the first batch of advanced cadets were going to 737 Aus FO, but they're all ATR FOs or 777SOs.
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Old 16th May 2018, 06:29
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Yeah the ones that just went through are in the advanced entry course. Iím talking about the an-initio Cadets that had zero flying experience. Company canít train them then stick them in the back seat of the 777 like they can with the more advanced Cadets.

Anyhow, my advice if your on a hold file and holding out for a 737 aus base then Iíd suggest you ring recruitment and say your happy for NZ, ATR, F100 or 777. Be mindful of the 10% cap for the ATR and VARA and the pay differences and time to return to Australia if you go to Enzed.

777 is my recommendation. Left the 777 a few years ago but I think the pay is a lot better now.
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Old 18th May 2018, 12:16
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I cannot believe this happened

Fellers this happened to me a few weeks ago with regards to recruitment for the Virgin/Tiger group.
It started with an EXPRESION OF INTREST which I sent to tiger regarding a positon on the A320 in Sydney. Within a week or 2 I got an email from Virgin/Tiger saying , please go to there web site and book your self in for an interview, it was going to be based over 2 days, first day sim ride then personal interview followed by day 2 with the group activity. Within another week I get an email from Virgin/Tiger saying that the sim will be at 0800 , so be at the Ansett sim centre in YMMB at 0700 for a brief, then at 12.30 go to tiger head office for the group activity , followed by the final Interview.

So I turn up at 0700 on the Monday Morning, I am briefed with 4 other guys on a sim exercise in the 737- 400-700, I went through the flight with the CP ( Craig - EX Emirates) - he did say that the exercise went well, then at 12.30 we completed the group exercise , flight from Sydney to LA, fuel required etc etc etc, then a personal Interview - Both Virgin HR and Tiger HR were there for both the Group and personal interview, I then went on a plane home.

The following day around midday when I got a phone call from Virgin recruiting, A young Lady said have you got time to talk, I would like to DEBRIEF you on your interview yesterday ( in my 26 years in the industry this is a FIRST time this has happened) in which she debriefed me on the Interview , saying that the CP who completed the simulator was happy with my exercise and can make the transition to the jets, then on the group exercise we were happy with how you handled the situation, kept people in the loop, took other peoples discussion etc, etc ,etc, then she debriefed me on the personal interview, and discussed how the question were asked how I handled various situations and where happy with the response, BUT WHEN ASKED WHY JOIN TIGER - I gave a generic answer and am not progressing with your application, so you can not apply for the next 12 months to Tiger , but your Virgin applications are still valid.

WTF, I have been knocked back from jobs for not having the knowledge or flying skills - FAIR CALL, but been knocked back for a simple question - that is a first, what is going on ?
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Old 18th May 2018, 12:31
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Think of it as your first experience of Virgin/Tiger decision making. You wont understand it even if you tried.....
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Old 18th May 2018, 16:56
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I used to be involved in recruitment but can no longer stand to be involved. HR are ruining airlines from the inside and I am horrified by your experience at their hands. I bet the chief pilot and other pilots involved in the process aren’t even aware you were rejected. Given, you met the requirements otherwise, You would think something along the lines of “you have jets and I have a pulse” should have been all the response they needed.
Unbelievable. Good Luck with the “Virgin” recruitment experience.
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Old 18th May 2018, 23:42
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Hi Chadzat and Jimnhorace,

Thanks for the information, yes I don't understand the decision , from looking form the oustside of Virgin/Tiger you don't see how the insides work, As I am in my 40s and looking at finishing my career in the "shinny new jet" I thought I would have an opportunity in Australia to do that, Looks like I head off overseas. Thanks
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Old 19th May 2018, 00:17
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Can you still apply for tiger if you are in hold file with VA
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Old 19th May 2018, 00:46
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Its great to get a gig in Aus with a major. Its not the end of the world if you don't however. The main thing when travelling or working abroad is to understand that you aren't in Australia anymore and just because they do things differently doesn't mean they're wrong.

Maybe it happened for a reason, maybe in 3 years time you'll say "thank god". I know people that were exactly your same boat. 10 years later they've seen the world and flown the big jets. The've enjoyed it and good on them. It all comes down to how you handle the situation, treat it as a challenge and an adventure and you won't go wrong.
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Old 19th May 2018, 01:10
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Easier to give someone a far fetched reason for being unsuitable than to come clean and face a discrimination case.
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Old 19th May 2018, 02:16
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Originally Posted by Gligg
Easier to give someone a far fetched reason for being unsuitable than to come clean and face a discrimination case.
I think you may have nailed it.
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Old 19th May 2018, 02:33
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HR is such a token department. They create more work and more expense for any organisation - that's about it. Apparently some companies are cancelling flights due to crew shortages yet HR are knocking people back for this sort of nonsense.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 00:26
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I got a call a while back from HR at Virgin offering some feed back from my interview which I was very appreciative of.......... HR - You're not successful at this time as we were not sure on your motivation to work for Virgin. Me - But you asked me in the interview whether I would take a job with Tiger or Virgin so it seems a little strange that you would question my motivation to work for Virgin alone. HR- Ummmmmmmmm. HR - On a positive note you're sim was above average. Me- Great so I've demonstrated I have the ability to learn to fly the aircraft, so should be suitable for employment as an FO? HR - Well no. And also you need to learn more about our company and our aircraft types, numbers etc. Me - I know those and you didn't ask me a single question on any of the aforementioned topics. HR - Hmmmmmmmmmm. You can re-apply in 12 months. Me - Thank you kindly for the feedback.

I won't be applying again.
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Old 23rd May 2018, 01:03
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Good strategy, bunghole, you show them. The grapes are probably sour anyway.
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Originally Posted by bunghole
I got a call a while back from HR at Virgin offering some feed back from my interview which I was very appreciative of.......... HR - You're not successful at this time as we were not sure on your motivation to work for Virgin. Me - But you asked me in the interview whether I would take a job with Tiger or Virgin so it seems a little strange that you would question my motivation to work for Virgin alone. HR- Ummmmmmmmm. HR - On a positive note you're sim was above average. Me- Great so I've demonstrated I have the ability to learn to fly the aircraft, so should be suitable for employment as an FO? HR - Well no. And also you need to learn more about our company and our aircraft types, numbers etc. Me - I know those and you didn't ask me a single question on any of the aforementioned topics. HR - Hmmmmmmmmmm. You can re-apply in 12 months. Me - Thank you kindly for the feedback.

I won't be applying again.


hey sorry to hear that. When did u interview???
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