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Old 13th Sep 2018, 10:54
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That would have to be some sweetener.
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 12:51
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Originally Posted by mmmbop View Post
Sending every RAAF pilot to conduct psychometric testing without conducting a resume review first EQUALS placing all RAAF pilots at the top of the recruiting process.

No matter how much an individual tries to argue it isn't.
JFC. He made it clear that *every* pilot (RAAF, GA, Regional, hell..... even Navy) who meets the minimum criteria should proceed to psychometric testing. How that places RAAF at the top is beyond me. You can be the Wicked Witch of the West with 2000 hours on a broomstick. If that meets the minimum criteria set by the airline, you proceed to recruitment testing. End of story. How is that biased towards or against anyone?
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 20:11
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Virgin dropped their mins to pretty much nothing at the start of 2018. What surprises me is the people getting interviews still have roughly the same CV as people did before the mins drop.

1500+ hours with 500 multi crew or multi PIC still seems to be what is wanted. I don't understand what they expect to achieve by dropping the mins if their expectations haven't changed.

With Qantas it's anyone's guess what they are after. The whole industry is confused. The mins should reflect the experience needed to at least get a face to face or a psychometric assessment.
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 21:00
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I gather that from Sept 1 under part 61 CASA has told Qantas that the initial second officer type check will now include sequences below 20,000, one of these been the candidate must be able to land the simulator in a 20 knot xwind with an engine out. IMO this makes previous experience highly relevant and simulator check as part of the employment process very relevant.
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 23:04
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Originally Posted by pilotchute View Post
With Qantas it's anyone's guess what they are after. The whole industry is confused.
I did enjoy the quote from one of our newer SO's:

"I don't really like aviation, I'm just really good at it..."

That is not a joke.
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 23:28
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Originally Posted by DutchRoll View Post

JFC. He made it clear that *every* pilot (RAAF, GA, Regional, hell..... even Navy) who meets the minimum criteria should proceed to psychometric testing. How that places RAAF at the top is beyond me. You can be the Wicked Witch of the West with 2000 hours on a broomstick. If that meets the minimum criteria set by the airline, you proceed to recruitment testing. End of story. How is that biased towards or against anyone?
God no, not the navy
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 01:23
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I don't know what the min requirements are currently for QF, but when I was recruited they were fairly simple. You basically had the hours or you didn't. When your number came up you did psychometric testing and a quick "is there anything obviously weird about this applicant?" interview, and if you passed that you did a sim check, and if you passed that you did a final longer and more probing interview. Notwithstanding that none of these processes are perfect and it's always possible for someone to have a bad day and get knocked back, or someone else to be lucky and slip through (I know examples of both), the entire system was reasonably fair irrespective of aviation background. I've not read anything Keg has written on this thread which would deviate from that type of fairness in the recruitment system, but I have heard on the grapevine that HR people with no aviation background are making quite a hash of the system. That's the world over these days though, unfortunately.

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God no, not the navy
Haha! Said firmly tongue in cheek of course! They were just young and foolish when they chose the wrong service!
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 01:35
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Originally Posted by ruprecht View Post
I did enjoy the quote from one of our newer SO's:

"I don't really like aviation, I'm just really good at it..."

That is not a joke.
Ther’re probably there to balance out those of us who do like aviation but are a bit crap at it.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 01:54
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I did enjoy the quote from one of our newer SO's:

"I don't really like aviation, I'm just really good at it..."

That is not a joke.
I don't doubt for a minute that is the attitude of a lot of younger pilots and with the numbers required in the future it will only become more prevalent. Mind you I did once meet a retired 747 Captain from MAS who felt the same way.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 01:59
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Ther’re probably there to balance out those of us who do like aviation but are a bit crap at it.
That would be me.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 02:42
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Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard View Post


They’re probably there to balance out those of us who do like aviation but are a bit crap at it.

Ha, nice one.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 03:29
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Originally Posted by ruprecht View Post
I did enjoy the quote from one of our newer SO's:

"I don't really like aviation, I'm just really good at it..."

That is not a joke.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 05:34
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Thats why they become flight ops managers.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 06:00
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Thats why they become flight ops managers.
Except usually they are not that good at it!
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 14:03
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Originally Posted by ruprecht View Post
I did enjoy the quote from one of our newer SO's:

"I don't really like aviation, I'm just really good at it..."

That is not a joke.
Maybe they're just not an avgeek. Someone who doesn't fly privately outside of work, or doesn't religiously attend every airshow, or isn't spotting airplanes at the perimeter fence, or doesn't subscribe to every known aviation related publication. Doesn't mean they are incompetent or unenthusiastic about their job, but perhaps they have other interests outside of work.

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Old 14th Sep 2018, 18:32
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Maybe they're just not an avgeek. Someone who doesn't fly privately outside of work, or doesn't religiously attend every airshow, or isn't spotting airplanes at the perimeter fence, or doesn't subscribe to every known aviation related publication. Doesn't mean they are incompetent or unenthusiastic about their job, but perhaps they have other interests outside of work.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 18:38
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Originally Posted by dragon man View Post
I gather that from Sept 1 under part 61 CASA has told Qantas that the initial second officer type check will now include sequences below 20,000, one of these been the candidate must be able to land the simulator in a 20 knot xwind with an engine out. IMO this makes previous experience highly relevant and simulator check as part of the employment process very relevant.
Are you implying that the second officer type check doesn’t include sequences below 20,000 ft. at the present time ?


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Old 15th Sep 2018, 11:16
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He’s just a regular smartarse and ********. They’ve been there for decades. They’re the ones who buy the flash cars on borrowed money when they get their first mainline paycheck. The cars disappear after a year or two when reality sets in.
Their only issue is that they don’t have the maturity to shut their respective mouths from time to time when a golden opportunity arises to not make a ******** of themselves.
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Old 15th Sep 2018, 23:03
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Originally Posted by JPJP View Post


Are you implying that the second officer type check doesn’t include sequences below 20,000 ft. at the present time ?



New check as of the 1st September is as discussed to Part 61 ie. X-wind to 20, EO approach etc. Multiple crews have already done the new check. It's up on QF flightcrew if you're that keen, and for those that don't have access, you can get excited and look at the CASA MOS.

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Old 16th Sep 2018, 01:05
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Another SO quote...."Flying is okay, but fashion is my passion".

I think I'm glad to be on the cusp of retiring.
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