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Old 24th Feb 2024, 22:53
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I know there is a lot of hate for the JQ NZ contract on this thread, can anyone elaborate on this more apart from the obvious $20K difference in starting salary as a Yr 1 FO? also besides the currency difference and the huge difference between company contributions for each countries applicable retirement schemes.
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No base owns any flying is the group mantra
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Old 25th Feb 2024, 00:30
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Originally Posted by LostontheLOC
have you heard of jbid right?

Perth will have great flying when you can actually get it but it will be a horrible base.

I hate to say it, but by far the best base in the network is Adelaide.
ADL best flying for sure. It’ll become all too hard to keep the west coasters current on all the east coast bull**** though I reckon. Should be best within a few months.
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Old 25th Feb 2024, 02:55
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Originally Posted by ZebraFlyer
ADL best flying for sure. It’ll become all too hard to keep the west coasters current on all the east coast bull**** though I reckon. Should be best within a few months.
Not sure whether they'll make Perth as cushy as it used to be. Can see Perth crew operating to Melbourne to do Bali the next day or Cairns Bali and Melbourne crew doing a Perth then a Phuket and back or something. We all know it won't make sense.
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Old 25th Feb 2024, 03:50
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Yep, the assumption it will be cushy is a big one. With the Optimiser at play you could see some pretty interesting rosters.
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Has anyone completed their TR with L3harris recently? Is the systems instructed via zoom or at your own will via ETHOS CBT, to be completed prior to sims. TIA
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Soooo. There’s going to be DEC….
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Old 8th Mar 2024, 21:10
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What do the year four F/O’s think about that?
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Old 8th Mar 2024, 21:39
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What do the year four F/O’s think about that?
If you've been an fo ​for 4 years, you well and truly meet the minimum om1 requirements for command. So you probably wouldn't care.
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Old 8th Mar 2024, 21:53
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Originally Posted by cLeArIcE
Not sure whether they'll make Perth as cushy as it used to be. Can see Perth crew operating to Melbourne to do Bali the next day or Cairns Bali and Melbourne crew doing a Perth then a Phuket and back or something. We all know it won't make sense.
It’s harder to do that than it used to be with the FRMS acclimatization rules. Yes it’s possible, but crew would need to spend a lot of time off in hotels to be legal especially for east/west patterns like those mentioned above. They can do it, but they don’t have enough crew as it to do it continually. If they do make it permanent, I see a lot of WDO’s continuing.
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Soooo. There’s going to be DEC….
any more info? Will they reduce the cyclic requirement to allow FOs to upgrade faster as well?
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They’ve made it pretty clear it’s a last resort. Multiple FSO’s with unfilled commands in SYD. Not sure if there’s been talk with the union to open it to the MOU, but probably not giving the groups recruitment problems.
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They’ve made it pretty clear it’s a last resort. Multiple FSO’s with unfilled commands in SYD. Not sure if there’s been talk with the union to open it to the MOU, but probably not giving the groups recruitment problems.
The MOU will not attract a single QF pilot. Every single one pre 2004 could have a 737 command, They won’t be going to JQ.

if JQ wants QF pilots, QF needs to offer LWOP and fixed term DECs. They may get some who tick the box and want some 320 experience before the 321s arrive.
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Old 8th Mar 2024, 22:55
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Yes it's all the FOs fault they don't want Sydney commands. It's not the extreme cost of living in Sydney they won't be properly compensated for or, the horrible rosters and lifestyles on offer.
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Old 9th Mar 2024, 01:13
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Yes it's all the FOs fault they don't want Sydney commands. It's not the extreme cost of living in Sydney they won't be properly compensated for or, the horrible rosters and lifestyles on offer.
An FO in Sydney needs to be on 350k to 400k to survive... Qf and well the corporate world in general need to get with reality. Sydney Captains should be on 600k to 800k. Thats reality!
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Old 9th Mar 2024, 11:09
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any more info? Will they reduce the cyclic requirement to allow FOs to upgrade faster as well?
They can’t drop the requirements anymore than they did yesterday. Scary how low it’s going now.
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Old 9th Mar 2024, 11:34
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They can’t drop the requirements anymore than they did yesterday. Scary how low it’s going now.
They have plenty of people who would come back off the 787 or move IF...IF... It was worth it. But they just can't accept this fact. Pay a bit more with better rostering and lifestyle and people will take the spots. Even make it a tiny bit easier to commute and some would probably take it. But as it stands why would anyone leave the 787 or a 320 fo base in ADL or CNS to take a Sydney command?
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Old 9th Mar 2024, 20:33
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They can’t drop the requirements anymore than they did yesterday. Scary how low it’s going now.
what was it dropped to? All the blokes I interviewed with have high levels of experience.
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Old 9th Mar 2024, 20:49
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Originally Posted by cLeArIcE
They have plenty of people who would come back off the 787 or move IF...IF... It was worth it. But they just can't accept this fact. Pay a bit more with better rostering and lifestyle and people will take the spots. Even make it a tiny bit easier to commute and some would probably take it. But as it stands why would anyone leave the 787 or a 320 fo base in ADL or CNS to take a Sydney command?
I have never understood the whole commuting thing. Someone takes a command in Sydney or any other base but for some reason they want to live else where and expect the company to help with their commuting needs, sure the rostering could be better for that but then, why should the guys in the base be somewhat disadvantage for a commuter. Take a command but expect to be in the base the command is.

As it stands 1500hrs company time or equivalent (capturing QF group) and two cyclics should capture anyone who has been in the company (group) 18 or more months. Currently we don’t have that now. Company have made it clear that DEC will happen unless the guys who have the 1500 company time are prepared to come to Sydney.
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Old 9th Mar 2024, 21:42
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Just do what the regionals do in USA. Junior manning, forced upgrades in reverse seniority.
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