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Old 21st Sep 2017, 22:48
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Yes, I remember quite a few North American accents on the Australian airwaves during and after 'that year'.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 23:03
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Originally Posted by Aussie_pilot85
For those unhappy with the Aussies here 'taking US jobs', suck it up. We are not taking jobs from Americans...
Aussie_pilot85,

Have you or anyone of your personal acquaintance experienced anything like that ?

Nothing humans do should be much of a surprise, I guess, but I'd expect such animosity to be rare...and can just be politely ignored. Don't get sucked into any open hostilities over it....ain't worth it.

People here are probably surprised the USA (of all places) had to turn to the expat market to fill airline seats. I have to admit to being one of them but any animosity should be directed at everyone EXCEPT the expats who're just doing what motivated, enterprising people do: take advantage of a decent opportunity, which they had no hand in creating, to advance their career.
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Old 21st Sep 2017, 23:14
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
Aussie_pilot85,

Have you or anyone of your personal acquaintance experienced anything like that ?

Nothing humans do should be much of a surprise, I guess, but I'd expect such animosity to be rare...and can just be politely ignored. Don't get sucked into any open hostilities over it....ain't worth it.

People here are probably surprised the USA (of all places) had to turn to the expat market to fill airline seats. I have to admit to being one of them but any animosity should be directed at everyone EXCEPT the expats who're just doing what motivated, enterprising people do: taking advantage of a decent opportunity, which they had no hand in creating, to advance their career.
Unfortunately yes I have personally experienced it. I have a very thick skin so it bounces right off. Had a few Captains I've flown with make comments about the company shouldn't be giving jobs to Aussies. Usually I have 4 days with them so I can turn them by the end of the trip.

Most of the time it is a lack of understanding, its a free trade visa that swings both ways. Many Americans go to AUS using the same visa just in other industries at the moment due to the aviation industry in AUS only now coming out and hiring after years of layoffs.

Once I explain it and also the fact they are not sponsoring us, just issuing us a letter that says they will not pay us less than they would pay an American and we get the visa on our own it all turns out good (or they refuse to budge and we spend an awkward 4 days together - they also happen to be the CA's that don't tip the van driver, coincidence?)
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 09:04
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Originally Posted by Aussie_pilot85
Unfortunately yes I have personally experienced it. I have a very thick skin so it bounces right off. Had a few Captains I've flown with make comments about the company shouldn't be giving jobs to Aussies.
Oh well...soldier on.

Keep your nose clean, learn as much as you can, fly as much as you can stand...and have fun !!! ;-)
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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 10:11
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Anyone know actually how to qualify for an E3 visa who has experienced the process?

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Old 22nd Sep 2017, 15:50
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Originally Posted by andrewnorris1987
Anyone know actually how to qualify for an E3 visa who has experienced the process?
The E3 visa in general requires a US 4 year bachelor degree in the field applied for (same as H1B). In the absence of a 4 year degree you can substitute 3 years of work experience for every year of a degree. If you do not have any degree you would require 12 years of work experience in that field.

Flight training is generally recognized as covering 2 years of the bachelor degree so you would need to show 6 years of work experience as a pilot / instructor to qualify if you do not have a degree.

Regionals are going to require 1500 hours total time (plus other FAA requirements) unless you did an approved US aviation college program. Check the airline websites for minimums.
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Old 23rd Sep 2017, 00:34
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Aussie_pilot85, I understand that is the US visa speal but I have heard of guys/girls going over there with NO degree and NOT the equivalent of 12 years experience getting the E3 to go into a regional (SkyWest).

Do the minimum hour requirements that are needed for the FAA ATP not cover the experience part of the visa as I was understood to be the case? Since regional's in the US don't actually advertise the job as requiring a degree of some sort surely that makes the degree part and therefor the experience part redundant...

Can anyone else share their experiences especially those guys/girls that were successful or even rejected by the embassy if any are the case??
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Old 24th Sep 2017, 02:00
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Originally Posted by Aussie_pilot85
The E3 visa in general requires a US 4 year bachelor degree in the field applied for (same as H1B). In the absence of a 4 year degree you can substitute 3 years of work experience for every year of a degree. If you do not have any degree you would require 12 years of work experience in that field.
I went through the whole process about 12 months ago and have helped a number of mates get through with the airline I'm with and the E3 visa process. A degree or 12 years industry experience inlieu is not a requirement to get the visa. All you need is a letter from your US employer and the LCA, unless things have changed since 12 months ago.
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Old 24th Sep 2017, 05:54
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Originally Posted by VH DSJ
I went through the whole process about 12 months ago and have helped a number of mates get through with the airline I'm with and the E3 visa process. A degree or 12 years industry experience inlieu is not a requirement to get the visa. All you need is a letter from your US employer and the LCA, unless things have changed since 12 months ago.
"LCA" ? What's that?
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Old 24th Sep 2017, 07:32
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I know New Zealand doesn't get the E3 but is it plausible to get some sort of Visa for Kiwis? This all sounds like good stuff here....
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Old 24th Sep 2017, 11:07
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"LCA" ? What's that?
Labor Condition Application. I'll leave it to Wiki to explain it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Condition_Application
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Old 24th Sep 2017, 11:11
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Who is WO?
WO means 'wholly owned' or the equivalent to 'subsidiary' company in our language.
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Old 25th Sep 2017, 06:18
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I have found seven carriers, Piedmont, Skywest, Gojet, Compass, Mesa, Express Jet, Commutair. Which ones am i missing?
Air Wisconsin told me they would.
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Old 25th Sep 2017, 12:32
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A genuine question for those taking jobs overseas. Are you planning on coming back, and if so, where will you go!
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Old 25th Sep 2017, 13:29
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Looking at the 8 mentioned regionals taking E3 pilots, how many are taking Aussies "right of the boat" with no FAA ticket whatsoever ? I see that SKW does but not sure about the rest. An amigo was asking about that.
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Old 25th Sep 2017, 13:56
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
Looking at the 8 mentioned regionals taking E3 pilots, how many are taking Aussies "right of the boat" with no FAA ticket whatsoever ? I see that SKW does but not sure about the rest. An amigo was asking about that.
We had this discussion some time ago, bafanguy, and you seemed surprised it can be done. If you meet the requirements to hold an FAA ATP, then it doesn't matter whether you held an FAA certificate previously or not. The checkride for the type rating doubles as the FAA ATP checkride. This is mandated by the FAA and has nothing to do with the company. Why would other companies add an extra unnecessary hurdle to clear when they are seeking pilots urgently? That wouldn't make any sense.
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Old 25th Sep 2017, 14:17
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VH DSJ,

I WAS surprised it could be/was being done and don't dispute that at all; sounds good to me ! I make no claim to an intimate knowledge of licensing…FAA or otherwise.

My question was whether all 8 regionals mentioned were using said process or were some still requiring FAA tickets from E3s. As erratic as the airline hiring biz can be, it wouldn't surprise me that some might still be trying to require FAA tickets just cuz they don't want to jump any hurdles they don't have to. They have funny ideas sometimes about what constitutes a hurdle.

I take it none is requiring FAA tickets from the E3s. A buddy was asking about this and I wasn't entirely sure of the answer. Thanks for the info.
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Old 25th Sep 2017, 18:30
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
Aussie_pilot85,

Have you or anyone of your personal acquaintance experienced anything like that ?

Nothing humans do should be much of a surprise, I guess, but I'd expect such animosity to be rare...and can just be politely ignored. Don't get sucked into any open hostilities over it....ain't worth it.

People here are probably surprised the USA (of all places) had to turn to the expat market to fill airline seats. I have to admit to being one of them but any animosity should be directed at everyone EXCEPT the expats who're just doing what motivated, enterprising people do: take advantage of a decent opportunity, which they had no hand in creating, to advance their career.
Yeah Iíve had a few choice words said to me over the years too and Iím not even on the E3 visa! Iím a dual US/Australian citizen with a strong Aussie accent. Quite a few sly remarks over the years both jumpseating and at my airline with a couple of situations being very confrontational. Stating that Iím a US citizen normally ends the conversation for me though and Iíve learnt to say this first before the discussion continues if they are questioning why Iím here. There has been quite the discussion on social media recently at my airline regarding E3 visas and the perceived threat to US jobs and Iíve also experienced an uptick in comments directed my way as more people learn about the E3. With US Regional Airlines finally having to raise terms and conditions to attract pilots, the E3 visa along with any foreign visa has been seen as a threat. The Regional Airline Association has been lobbying Congress to allow Regional Airlines to sponsor foreign nationals with the H1B visa with no luck just yet. The perceived flooding of the market with foreigners is being seen as a way for the Regional Airlines to keep wages low. That being said, 99.9% of interactions will be fine, just donít expect everyone to welcome you with open arms.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 11:47
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harvs17,

Well, there'll always be those "few"Öbut 99.9% is a pretty encouraging stat. :-)
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Originally Posted by Hollywood1
Heard some guys/gals in the US already have interviews lined up with the Aussie majors!
Hollywood1,

More details available ? Are these people you know personally ?
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