Australian pilots can work for US regionals.
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Found this re Vista America. It's about a biz jet charter job. It's not clear where the job is located. It lists both the US and Australia and pay is quoted in AUD. But since they're offering an FAA ATP and E3... and I'm not sure what a "Green Card Pathway program" is:
Location:Australia, United States
Vista America will provide you:
Location:Australia, United States
Vista America will provide you:
- Legal and financial support to obtain and renew your E-3 visa
- Green Card Pathway program
- FAA ATP - course and exam programmed into your training schedule
Last edited by bafanguy; 4th December 2023 at 06:58.
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From: Goblin Town
Found this re Vista America. It's about a biz jet charter job. It's not clear where the job is located. It lists both the US and Australia and pay is quoted in AUD. But since they're offering an FAA ATP and E3... and I'm not sure what a "Green Card Pathway program" is:
Location:Australia, United States
Vista America will provide you:
Location:Australia, United States
Vista America will provide you:
- Legal and financial support to obtain and renew your E-3 visa
- Green Card Pathway program
- FAA ATP - course and exam programmed into your training schedule
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Thanks. I don't know much about the biz jet charter industry here in the USA beyond seeing them advertising for pilots now and then. Maybe they're feeling a pinch of sorts lately ?
Are there lots of biz jet pilots in Australia who are looking for a change ?
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Vista isn’t a particularly good place to work. It’s haemorrhaging pilots in Europe as conditions there are poor and compared to other spots in the US it’s not particularly great either.
They are desperate for pilots and rather creative with doing whatever they can to get more, hence this E3 program to get aussies to be based in the US but probably spend most of their time out of it.
As a DEC it’s probably not a terrible place to be if it does get you a green card (if that’s what you want). But I would fully expect them to dangle that option in front but rarely ever get it done, as the moment you have it you go anywhere better (which is most of the US market atm)
They are desperate for pilots and rather creative with doing whatever they can to get more, hence this E3 program to get aussies to be based in the US but probably spend most of their time out of it.
As a DEC it’s probably not a terrible place to be if it does get you a green card (if that’s what you want). But I would fully expect them to dangle that option in front but rarely ever get it done, as the moment you have it you go anywhere better (which is most of the US market atm)
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From: USA
Vista isn’t a particularly good place to work. It’s haemorrhaging pilots in Europe as conditions there are poor and compared to other spots in the US it’s not particularly great either.
They are desperate for pilots and rather creative with doing whatever they can to get more, hence this E3 program to get aussies to be based in the US but probably spend most of their time out of it.
As a DEC it’s probably not a terrible place to be if it does get you a green card (if that’s what you want). But I would fully expect them to dangle that option in front but rarely ever get it done, as the moment you have it you go anywhere better (which is most of the US market atm)
They are desperate for pilots and rather creative with doing whatever they can to get more, hence this E3 program to get aussies to be based in the US but probably spend most of their time out of it.
As a DEC it’s probably not a terrible place to be if it does get you a green card (if that’s what you want). But I would fully expect them to dangle that option in front but rarely ever get it done, as the moment you have it you go anywhere better (which is most of the US market atm)
There are other/better options out there for sure, but it’s still an option I guess. For those that like the 2/2 type schedule and getting your foot in the door with some nicer types that aren’t really in Australia in great numbers, it might work for someone.
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It'll be interesting to see how many takers they get in Perth.
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Atlas
Atlas is still hiring E3, but at a reduced rate. Now limited to 100 E3 per year.
They’re also going to sponsor green cards in the future. -an MOU was just signed with the union.
The international travel has now been ratified too, so it’s guaranteed but capped at 1250$ per one way ticket for international, domestic is still unrestricted, (but normally much cheaper of course)
happy to provide a link for new apps!
https://myjob.io/CTjCVdK
They’re also going to sponsor green cards in the future. -an MOU was just signed with the union.
The international travel has now been ratified too, so it’s guaranteed but capped at 1250$ per one way ticket for international, domestic is still unrestricted, (but normally much cheaper of course)
happy to provide a link for new apps!
https://myjob.io/CTjCVdK
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The days of low pay and harsh conditions are over. We just hired a non typed copilot full benefits and USD $180k per year on a falcon part 91 flying.
That’s $270,000 AUD plus 12% 401k plan and full medical/dental. 3 weeks annual leave.
The 135 operators are lowering requirements and fast upgrade. Pay 150-250k depending on type.
i don’t see any OZ non legacy airline jobs matching that.
Vista incidentally offers benefits plus 180-200k USD starting pay.
That’s $270,000 AUD plus 12% 401k plan and full medical/dental. 3 weeks annual leave.
The 135 operators are lowering requirements and fast upgrade. Pay 150-250k depending on type.
i don’t see any OZ non legacy airline jobs matching that.
Vista incidentally offers benefits plus 180-200k USD starting pay.
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From: USA
Was this F/O hire at a US company and was the person a non-US citizen on a visa of some kind ? An Aussie ?
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From: Mexico City
The days of low pay and harsh conditions are over. We just hired a non typed copilot full benefits and USD $180k per year on a falcon part 91 flying.
That’s $270,000 AUD plus 12% 401k plan and full medical/dental. 3 weeks annual leave.
The 135 operators are lowering requirements and fast upgrade. Pay 150-250k depending on type.
i don’t see any OZ non legacy airline jobs matching that.
Vista incidentally offers benefits plus 180-200k USD starting pay.
That’s $270,000 AUD plus 12% 401k plan and full medical/dental. 3 weeks annual leave.
The 135 operators are lowering requirements and fast upgrade. Pay 150-250k depending on type.
i don’t see any OZ non legacy airline jobs matching that.
Vista incidentally offers benefits plus 180-200k USD starting pay.
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F9 proposed rates
Here's a snapshot of the proposed contract rates at F9. They're in line with the rest of industry, so I don't see them not getting it. From 2025, that puts a second year FO at ~USD$187k plus 401k etc. They're still taking E3s too. Not to mention what a narrowbody captain is worth on this side of the pond.
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Here's a snapshot of the proposed contract rates at F9. They're in line with the rest of industry, so I don't see them not getting it. From 2025, that puts a second year FO at ~USD$187k plus 401k etc. They're still taking E3s too. Not to mention what a narrowbody captain is worth on this side of the pond.
Unfortunately with Biffle and management as they are now there is practically zero chance Frontier pilots gets those payscales and a low chance they even get a new contract in the near future. There is now an unlimited supply of 1500hr CFIs to stem attrition as regionals are not hiring FOs.
Although they are still probably the best option for Aussie E3s at the moment since Spirit isn't hiring.
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US 2023 Salary Survey
There's a good spread of data on what's currently achievable at various airlines in various seats. Might be a good comparison for those in the homeland with contract negotiations ahead of them.
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/m...ry-survey.html
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/m...ry-survey.html
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From: Earth
There's a good spread of data on what's currently achievable at various airlines in various seats. Might be a good comparison for those in the homeland with contract negotiations ahead of them.
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/m...ry-survey.html
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/m...ry-survey.html
That makes for bittersweet reading. thanks for posting
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From: HK
There's a good spread of data on what's currently achievable at various airlines in various seats. Might be a good comparison for those in the homeland with contract negotiations ahead of them.
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/m...ry-survey.html
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/m...ry-survey.html
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From: In the soup
This yearly thread is always fascinating to read, but it’s good to remember the numbers are posted on an anonymous forum and not in any way verified so take them with a pinch of salt. The ones to really look out for are the NK, Atlas and F9 compensation numbers as that’s the (likely) most Aussies can be earning stateside without a greencard.
Obviously there are the outliers too, but it's generally easy to see who the max effort hustlers are, and who's more representative of what's broadly achievable.
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Well, this job posting didn't last long. Any idea what happened ?
https://www.aviationcv.com/job/austr...ydney-or-perth
https://www.aviationcv.com/job/austr...ydney-or-perth
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Well, this job posting didn't last long. Any idea what happened ?
https://www.aviationcv.com/job/austr...ydney-or-perth
https://www.aviationcv.com/job/austr...ydney-or-perth
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From: USA
Well, at least there's some entertainment value in seeing them have to turn to the expat market to fill seats.
Appears to be some unrest in the bizjet world here. As an example:
"Around 40% of pilots at private jet firm NetJets want to leave within the next year after new contract negotiations broke down. Over 275 pilots have already exited the company this year after it failed to raise pay and benefits."
https://simpleflying.com/netjets-40-...-pilots-leave/