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Old 18th May 2022, 20:30
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Notwithstanding the incoherent ramblings above, for anyone who is actually watching and considering the move, multiplying monthly guarantee by hourly rate is the lowest you can possibly be paid, and seldom actually happens.

Most make much, much more, as there is a big difference between credit hour and block hour.

This month I'm flying 23 actual hours, 6 days total, and making 75 hours for the trouble. Granted it's an outlier and I still can't believe I'm gonna pull it off, but it's a good example.

Most of the time at most places, you fly way less than what you credit, and make way more than MDG.
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Old 18th May 2022, 20:40
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A question for the guys who are over there - what position in Australia would you trade your spot in the US for, or if you already had it, would you not consider going to the US?

For example if you had a JQ command? JQ 78 FO? QF mainline LH FO? Mainline command?

Iím trying to gauge how high up the Australian aviation tree youíd have to be before you decided the US wasnít worth it anymore. Personally I think itís a no brainer for many, but the decision gets trickier the further youíve advanced.
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Old 18th May 2022, 21:31
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Originally Posted by Thumb War
A question for the guys who are over there - what position in Australia would you trade your spot in the US for, or if you already had it, would you not consider going to the US?

For example if you had a JQ command? JQ 78 FO? QF mainline LH FO? Mainline command?

I’m trying to gauge how high up the Australian aviation tree you’d have to be before you decided the US wasn’t worth it anymore. Personally I think it’s a no brainer for many, but the decision gets trickier the further you’ve advanced.
This would extremely tricky for anyone to answer with any accuracy. Simply because there are so many variables……

How long do you want to stay?
If you decide long term, do you end up at a legacy.
Regardless of where you end up, if you stay, how many years do have before retirement?
What responsibilities do you have tying you to Oz? Kids, wife, home…..

etc, etc, etc.

Im not going to get into specifics because I can’t be bothered with those that will assume I’m simply trying to advertise the size of my d!ck but from a financial POV, getting hired at a legacy in the US was financially, the smartest thing I’ve ever done. After 7 years here, I’m now earning 3x what I earn’t as a 73 FO at VA. The only reason that’s not 5x is because I’m delaying my 73 command because I have small kids and I’d rather spend more time at home. And by the time I retire, I’m planning to have 4-5 times in my 401k, than I would’ve had in my Super.

Now personally, the cons are long..Not least of which is that my kids have American accents and I have to continually correct their grammar. Well that and the aforementioned lack of sausage rolls.


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Old 18th May 2022, 21:54
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Originally Posted by Kenny
This would extremely tricky for anyone to answer with any accuracy. Simply because there are so many variablesÖÖ

How long do you want to stay?
If you decide long term, do you end up at a legacy.
Regardless of where you end up, if you stay, how many years do have before retirement?
What responsibilities do you have tying you to Oz? Kids, wife, homeÖ..

etc, etc, etc.

Im not going to get into specifics because I canít be bothered with those that will assume Iím simply trying to advertise the size of my d!ck but from a financial POV, getting hired at a legacy in the US was financially, the smartest thing Iíve ever done. After 7 years here, Iím now earning 3x what I earnít as a 73 FO at VA. The only reason thatís not 5x is because Iím delaying my 73 command because I have small kids and Iíd rather spend more time at home. And by the time I retire, Iím planning to have 4-5 times in my 401k, than I wouldíve had in my Super.

Now personally, the cons are long..Not least of which is that my kids have American accents and I have to continually correct their grammar. Well that and the aforementioned lack of sausage rolls.

Thanks for the reply Kenny, I appreciate that there are many variables.

So letís say someone mid career, a kid or two, and (maybe I assume incorrectly) at the moment an E3 has no realistic prospect of joining a major so would top out with Spirit or the likes.

I would think that if youíre young and uncommitted itís definitely the way to go. Also if you havenít got much seniority and the family is keen. Mid career and on a decent, though deteriorating wicket, itís trickier.

The temptation for me is that the hits to our contract and QoL in Aus are coming harder and faster. In a few years itíll be too late - opportunity is knocking.
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Old 18th May 2022, 22:11
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Originally Posted by Thumb War
Thanks for the reply Kenny, I appreciate that there are many variables.

So let’s say someone mid career, a kid or two, and (maybe I assume incorrectly) at the moment an E3 has no realistic prospect of joining a major so would top out with Spirit or the likes.

I would think that if you’re young and uncommitted it’s definitely the way to go. Also if you haven’t got much seniority and the family is keen. Mid career and on a decent, though deteriorating wicket, it’s trickier.

The temptation for me is that the hits to our contract and QoL in Aus are coming harder and faster. In a few years it’ll be too late - opportunity is knocking.
The main issue and there are guys here that would have a better idea of things, is that none of the legacy carriers here are going the E3 route. That may change but not at the moment. So the LCC are the best option and the pay is limited at the beginning because that’s the way it is here. But the offset is that you won’t pay for an endorsement here, the taxes will be far less and the cost of living, for the most part, is significantly less. Commands or upgrade as it’s known here are coming thick and fast. At United, we have command slots going unfilled. Think about that, guys are passing up USD$300k jobs (at 1 year with the company) because they’re doing well enough as FO’s. There are other reasons but that’s a long conversation.

Now, going by what my mates that are CA’s at LCC’s tell me, they are making more than enough and they’re happy. So, it’s not all bad, if you don’t get to the majors. Personally, the financial reward at United, Delta or American is simply due in large part, to the extent they’re affected by any and all geopolitical situations that may or may not happen, at any time around the world. It doesn’t take much for things to go to sh!t and thousands get furloughed for a year or more. It’s happened before and at some stage, will likely happen again.

Let me put it like this. I have an Aussie mate, mid 40’s, ex CX skipper who quit and up-stakes to the US within days of getting his GC via the lottery. No kids but he is as happy a pilot as I’ve ever seen. And we are not the easiest bunch to keep happy.

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Old 19th May 2022, 10:44
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The most interesting contrast. between the two countries pilot cohorts:

For some insane reason, Australian pilots are agreeing to reduced terms to keep jobs with one of the biggest recruiting drives on the doorstep.

For some insane reason, American pilots are agreeing to increased terms due to one of the biggest recruiting drives on the doorstep.

Most of the regionals have increased their terms in an attempt to stabilise the pilot ranks, it's not working unfortunately, due to one of the biggest recruiting drives in history.
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Old 19th May 2022, 11:04
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Originally Posted by Thumb War
A question for the guys who are over there - what position in Australia would you trade your spot in the US for, or if you already had it, would you not consider going to the US?

For example if you had a JQ command? JQ 78 FO? QF mainline LH FO? Mainline command?

Iím trying to gauge how high up the Australian aviation tree youíd have to be before you decided the US wasnít worth it anymore. Personally I think itís a no brainer for many, but the decision gets trickier the further youíve advanced.
Not that I can answer from a USA perspective but to provide an Australian one.
Am a somewhat senior A320 FO - Iíd hazard a guess at ~5 years max to command, 787 FO within next 2 years (unless I wanted Sydney which would be right now).

I and at least 3 captains I fly with are seriously looking at Spirit and Atlas at this stage. And to an extent Breeze but not properly done the figures.
Would make more at either after 4 or 5 years there as an FO than I ever will as a Captain where I am. If I somehow managed to score a green card (donít think wife would approve of me marrying into one..) then the opportunities are endless. Even if I didnít, once you have an E3 approved with a company thereís a few extras you can move into with it in hand (Frontier for example).

Life isnít all about money, but weíre getting to the pointy end here. Do I want to do it for the rest of my career (~30 years) and be pushing shit up an industrial hill every few years? I donít think so. I love the job I do and the people I work with, but is that enough to satisfy me the rest of my career? Also probably not. My logic is I better strike while the ironís hot. Then if it all doesnít work out Iíll try my best to return to the back seat of some QF metal.. or even return here, honestly donít feel like at this stage am giving up all that much to give it a crack much to many of my colleagues chagrin (an Australian narrowbody command opportunity, youíre nuts!!!)

QF Captain or long haul FO I wouldnít be going anywhere. Iíd be pushing 45+ by the time I even had a look in at those positions though.
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Old 19th May 2022, 14:52
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Life isnít all about money, but weíre getting to the pointy end here. Do I want to do it for the rest of my career (~30 years) and be pushing shit up an industrial hill every few years? I donít think so. I love the job I do and the people I work with, but is that enough to satisfy me the rest of my career? Also probably not. My logic is I better strike while the ironís hot. Then if it all doesnít work out Iíll try my best to return to the back seat of some QF metal.. or even return here, honestly donít feel like at this stage am giving up all that much to give it a crack much to many of my colleagues chagrin (an Australian narrowbody command opportunity, youíre nuts!!!)
Zebra, I go to great pains not to make moving to the US seem as if itís paved with gold, or even that itís not without its pitfalls but you sum up the conundrum perfectly. I was 43 when we left Sydney and VA. I knew what I was getting myself as Iíd lived in the US for the 11 years prior to VA, flying an RJ with one of the best Regional Airlines in the US, at the time. Money isnít everything but as my mum would say, it sure makes life easier. The problem is that an Australian narrow body command, simply isnít going to pay that much. Not when you factor in the tax youíll pay on that salary, not when you factor in the cost of living in the lucky country and certainly, not when you factor in the cost of buying a house. Iím not even talking about having having a couple of newish German cars in the garage or taking the family on holiday somewhere nice every year.

Iíve always thought the US was insulated from the economic realities of an ever-increasingly expensive world, simply because of economies of scale and that itís at least 10 years behind the rest of the developed world, when it comes to cost of living. The current economic issues facing the world have sped that up and itís a lot more expensive here at the moment but I do wonder just how bad Iíd find it if I was living is Sydney right now.

I will leave you with this though, it can be easy to leave, itís not that easy to return. And it can be damn near impossible when your options are as limited as they are, in Australia.
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Old 19th May 2022, 16:09
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Originally Posted by Kenny
Zebra, I go to great pains not to make moving to the US seem as if itís paved with gold, or even that itís not without its pitfalls but you sum up the conundrum perfectly. I was 43 when we left Sydney and VA. I knew what I was getting myself as Iíd lived in the US for the 11 years prior to VA, flying an RJ with one of the best Regional Airlines in the US, at the time. Money isnít everything but as my mum would say, it sure makes life easier. The problem is that an Australian narrow body command, simply isnít going to pay that much. Not when you factor in the tax youíll pay on that salary, not when you factor in the cost of living in the lucky country and certainly, not when you factor in the cost of buying a house. Iím not even talking about having having a couple of newish German cars in the garage or taking the family on holiday somewhere nice every year.

Iíve always thought the US was insulated from the economic realities of an ever-increasingly expensive world, simply because of economies of scale and that itís at least 10 years behind the rest of the developed world, when it comes to cost of living. The current economic issues facing the world have sped that up and itís a lot more expensive here at the moment but I do wonder just how bad Iíd find it if I was living is Sydney right now.

I will leave you with this though, it can be easy to leave, itís not that easy to return. And it can be damn near impossible when your options are as limited as they are, in Australia.
Australia is at a point now that if you want to live within a 1 hours drive of a capital city Airport, well $180,000 a year isnt going to cover a mortgage and the cost of living! Unless Adelaide is your dream city...
Australia is a lost cause at this rate
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Old 19th May 2022, 18:39
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Australia is at a point now that if you want to live within a 1 hours drive of a capital city Airport, well $180,000 a year isnt going to cover a mortgage and the cost of living! Unless Adelaide is your dream city...
Australia is a lost cause at this rate
We moved back to Oz from Ď10-Ď15 and $180k wouldnít have cut it then. Not with an ďaverageĒ mortgage and kids in Sydney. We knew when we watched a news segment on the mortgage stress waiting to burst the banks in Oz and Mildura was stated to have the same cost of living as Chicago, that it was a lost cause.
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Old 19th May 2022, 22:59
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Breeze face to face interview

All of the questions are honestly on aviatiointerviews.com and are all up to date. You have to pay for the full gouge.

The following Qís are from an Aussie in Hong Kong who did this 4 days ago.
Two interviewers via Microsoft Teams
Very nice peopleÖ(one pilot one and cabin crew manager) no question is designed to catch you out.


No technical questions
No ATPL theory questions
No, so why do you want leave your company Qís
generally a discussion to remove the ******** factor. Itís a nice company.

Questions regarding breeze core values:
one of each

Safety, Kindness, Integrity, Ingenuity & excellence (SKIIE)

TMAAT- Tell me about a time

TMAAT When you displayed each of the key values and what was the outcome.

Tell us about why (if any) are their gaps in your resume. COVID, lay-offs, gap year, resignation or Jail.

Why Breeze ?
research the company, CEO and his history, their plans

Questions for the interviewers as in what happens next.

Theyíll let you know within 7 days
Youíll then be passed to the other team who manage onboarding and then the
Company lawyers who will sort emergency E3 appointments

The earliest they could have you (with visa in hand) on day 1 groundschool ATP/CTP/SEP type training is 6 weeks from CJO letter.
Conditional joining offer.

You can request Embraer or Airbus as preference but will be given based on company needs.
Basing also - where the company needs you first but you can bid thereafter.

Good luck


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Old 20th May 2022, 19:56
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Tell us about why (if any) are their gaps in your resume. COVID, lay-offs, gap year, resignation or Jail.
Jail ? An illegal question in many jurisdictions.
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Old 20th May 2022, 23:13
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Jail ? An illegal question in many jurisdictions.
I was wondering if that is true, and it doesn’t seem to be in either Australia or the USA. Lawyers caution against asking about criminal history on the application, but it is evidently fair game in the interview. In any event a security background check is required for the position. Almost certainly for the visa too.
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Old 22nd May 2022, 05:54
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Hi guys can anyone tell me which airlines are currently sponsoring Aussieís for a green card? I know currently that breeze and Commuteair are. Are there any more?
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Old 22nd May 2022, 12:35
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I listened to a webinar from Spirit today and the rep (Australian guy) said that while nothing is confirmed yet, he's pushing for them to start sponsoring green cards and is optimistic that it will get approved. He said they'd probably only look at people who'd been there four years or so. No idea about any of the others.
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Old 22nd May 2022, 15:14
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phlegm,

Any idea how many of these webinars Spirit has conducted ?
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Old 22nd May 2022, 15:16
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PSA have mentioned in a few E3 webinars that their lawyers are looking into the details of potential greencard sponsorship.

Nothing confirmed also, but have heard they will be looking at it more seriously next year. They are waiting to see how successful their E3 program is before going to the next level.
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Old 23rd May 2022, 00:06
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phlegm,

Any idea how many of these webinars Spirit has conducted ?
They have run two so far.
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Old 23rd May 2022, 07:18
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Have people who attended the webinar been applying via the email address? Or Spirit Website?
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Have people who attended the webinar been applying via the email address? Or Spirit Website?
Spirit website and then follow up with an e-mail or vice versa.
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