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Old 29th May 2014, 21:55
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You are correct, I cant see any Qf driver not getting a job in aviation that they apply for, its just tragically sad its not the one they want, and already have.

S/O's might be a different story, even though they are F/O's in any other language.
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Old 29th May 2014, 23:03
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You are correct, I cant see any Qf driver not getting a job in aviation that they apply for......
There it is again. you guys are too funny!

S/O's might be a different story, even though they are F/O's in any other language.
And again, QF pilots are so innately talented that years in the backseat has so little impact on their skills that they are the equal of any FO from a lesser airline, which appears to be every other airline.

I'm out of popcorn, off to get a refill.

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Old 29th May 2014, 23:12
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I cant see any Qf driver not getting a job in aviation that they apply for
You must work for a different Qf than me. Sadly, there are pilots in Qf who I would not want running a local cake stall , let alone operating an aircraft with people in it. Like any organisation, Qf has some fantastic operators and some who managed to sneak past the recruitment process that are hopeless.
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Old 30th May 2014, 00:05
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You are correct, I cant see any Qf driver not getting a job in aviation that they apply for, its just tragically sad its not the one they want, and already have.

Wind up surely ?
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Old 30th May 2014, 01:07
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Ha too funny!

He's actually serious. That's why Qantas crews are so loved by their peers around the world.

On induction day you are told you are the best. Problem is many believe it.
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Old 30th May 2014, 01:13
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Sounds like most Airlines then.......

Next..
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Old 30th May 2014, 01:19
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Most of the QF guys I know are just good blokes and average pilots (as most of us are by definition) just getting on with their job, and fully appreciative of the good fortune they had to fit through the Qantas cookie cutter at time when a career at Qantas was sought after.

It's a damn shame the vocal minority on here seem to be the tossers that give the majority a bad name.
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Old 30th May 2014, 01:48
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You have to admit that if you're an ego driven tosser PPRuNe is a pretty good place to strut. Especially when your workmates won't play volleyball and shower with you after a long flight.
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Old 30th May 2014, 02:22
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Originally Posted by blueskymine
On induction day you are told you are the best.
They never told me that!

But it was a pretty good assumption

Back to the beach volleyball then



Im pretty sure v jet is just trying to be positive about his collegues, its good darts.
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Old 30th May 2014, 02:44
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On induction day you are told you are the best. Problem is many believe it.
We certainly weren't. All I remember being told is that it would be unacceptable to be caught rollerblading in a tank top through the foyers of any of the nice hotels we stayed at. (You think I'm making this up, but I'm not.)

Given that we were a roomful of crusty, unfit and distinctly unattractive 30- to 40-year olds, I don't think the gentleman concerned had much to be worried about, to be honest.
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Old 30th May 2014, 02:46
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On induction day you are told you are the best. Problem is many believe it.
Not quite. On the first day of my cadetship I was told that there had been 6000 applicants for 22 positions and that we had what Qantas wanted to maintain their heritage. We were then told in no uncertain terms that this required hard work, dedication and commitment to ensure that we always continued to improve.

Still, I guess the follow up statement about working hard and staying focused isn't as sexy a sledge as supposedly being told we were the best.

On my first day in Qantas itself we we're read the riot act in a huge way and told that if we didn't work our backsides off they'd bin us in a heartbeat. There were reasons for this hard line that I won't go into here but a few of those reasons are no longer in Qantas. No mention then of being the best.

Again though, that doesn't fit the stereotype so tends to be glossed over by those who love chopping down the tall poppy.
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Old 30th May 2014, 03:41
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The talk given to brand new cadets would be very different to the one given to pilots with previous experience. I think it also depended on which management pilot was available at the time as to what was said. When RM was 744 Fleet Manager he definitely stated to the 9 blokes in the room that "we were the best of the best, thats why we were now in Qantas". Thats not second hand info I was one of the 9.

We were fortunate that QF were recruiting ex-Ansett at the rate they were. Any QF pilot who is either VR or CR is not going to have the same opportunity for employment in Oz. If you are an FO then you are going to be in the que like everyone else and if you are an SO then V-Jet is just not telling you the real story. The reality is the most likely place to be employed in a permanent job is the ME and even then they still reject a lot of applicants who don't meet their HR standard let alone the technical standard.
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Old 30th May 2014, 04:12
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You must work for a different Qf than me. Sadly, there are pilots in Qf who I would not want running a local cake stall , let alone operating an aircraft with people in it.
I didn't say I would want them running a cake stall (I wouldn't trust the CEO with that either) but there wouldn't be many Qf drivers who wouldn't get into airlines they applied for. Heaps of hours, current, qualified etc etc.

There aren't a lot of pilots I want to be in a car with either, but thats another matter

S/O's of course are generally none of those things - much harder for them.

And we were lectured severely about not screwing up this much or we wouldn't even get a job flying rubber doggie do out of HKG! We were most certainly NOT told we were the best - quite the reverse in fact. It was the most depressing day of my Qf career until the current debacle of financial mismanagement!!
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Now that was the best post for a while.
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Old 30th May 2014, 05:16
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Noticed Barry Jackson(former QF pilots union boss) wrote an article in the AFR today, trying to fleabag money for QF from the taxpayer yet again talking up a "Johny Foreigner" scare campaign.

He is only wanting a few billion in the form of an interest free loan, he actually thinks the public are behind this "concept"

Truly parasitic conduct the QF boys want go back on the public tit.
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Old 30th May 2014, 05:38
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Truly parasitic conduct the QF boys want go back on the public tit.

Just like Jetstar has sucked off the Qantas Tit....James Hogan has said he has $750 billion in a sovereign wealth fund and 100 years worth of oil. Where's the rationality behind this madness.

Top off the fact that Qantas is beset by a disastrous management team and a refusal to admit they are wrong and you have a looming "Ansett-type scenario" but twice as big!

Flyboat has a chip on all four shoulders!
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Old 30th May 2014, 07:45
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Noticed Barry Jackson(former QF pilots union boss) wrote an article in the AFR today, trying to fleabag money for QF from the taxpayer yet again talking up a "Johny Foreigner" scare campaign.

He is only wanting a few billion in the form of an interest free loan, he actually thinks the public are behind this "concept"
I've got the article in front of me, and it says no such thing. Why don't you actually read the bloody thing?
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Old 30th May 2014, 08:17
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Well in my view that is exactly what he is saying, post the article, likely they will all agree with you no matter what.

He says some interesting things especially that the QF pilots are "mid range" on an international comparison.

Wasn't my reading of the data but its a free country we can disagree and still all be great mates. I think any objective evaluation of the data tells the story that you guys are just miles in front.

Your own man Barry Jackson said four years ago the average A380 captain was only earning $415K (AUD) , that is before the pay rise.

That is $20K Aussie a month clear think you are up 10% since the payrise, anyone got a link to the actual contract ?

Emirates is $12/13K Aussie a month clear , oh but you get a donga to stay in & we pay your power bill , but you will be flying 90 hours a month. Temps of 45 degrees for months it just sounds wonderful.

Who HooOOOO. What a deal mate !!!. Private school fees there are exorbitant and they are capped in terms of amount, no of kids. There are actually great high schools particularly the selective ones around Sydney (I went to one of them) , high schools in Perth regularly out gun the top private schools (Applecross , Rossmoyne HS etc etc) - don't cost a cracker.

Mega prices for schooling in lovely Dubai, just two /three in primary early middle school you will likely be paying $30 to $40 K over the Emirates allowance - there goes at least a quarter of your take home

South America & Africa - no contest there

The Sand- see data above , good coin for a bloke from a developing country

EU- BA 747 clearing 165,000AUD , QF 747 clearing $240K - so 50% up

Lufthansa & Air France/KLM very seniors might get near but lets have a closer look.

Luft: It is in Germany, and Germany is the strongest economy in Europe , and it has advanced manufacturing and other things like a pharmaceutical industry. Germany has more people than we do and Australia is not Germany

Air France/KLM : A financial basket case which the froggie Govt still owns 20% of , losses for years

China: The best you will do is $18K USD for 80 hours a month. The quote of $350USD pa is complete Bull as is the 42 days annual leave.

Just a few of the disadvantages might be.

  • 20 days leave per year instead of 42
  • are you allowed to have a sick day in China, almost limitless paid sickies at Qantas
  • you will fly close to 900 hours per year, instead of Gentleman's 550 at Qantas
  • working for contract company , which could go belly up anytime
  • Chinese will change your contract when and how they feel
  • living working in a totalitarian , overcrowded polluted state
  • Few basing in Aus
  • Can get canned in a sim anytime , no rights of redress
  • astronaut standard medicals
  • chinese pilots smoking in cockpits
  • Can get canned anytime for any "cultural" slight that you were completely oblivious about
  • Contracts are only for 3 years , will the same $$$ be available after that
  • They will fling you as soon as they can, look at how quick SIA flung the expats
But likely the biggest one is that you are relying on Flight Crew Agency men telling you the big kind airline is paying all your Chinese tax, you can commute from home or be based at home and have to pay no tax to your Govt - sure thing !! I am so sure the ATO has given the Flight crew agency men a binding private ruling , so sure so sure. The Agency men are very knowledgeable to provide this advice and are complete experts on international tax law.

Let's discuss the US next week

The QF pilots are icons and are special and deserve to be paid 50% more than their other first world counterparts. Lefts give them a three billion dollars of tax payer money - we should organize a protest march.

I have to go now , I have a date
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Old 30th May 2014, 08:21
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Leadership

The following TED lecture explains the concept of Leadership in action.

This concept is precisely what all of us here who have the misfortune of working for the current crop of QF "management" have been banging on about.

The likes of Professor just don't get it....

http://m.youtube.com/watch?sns=em&v=lmyZMtPVodo
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Old 30th May 2014, 08:55
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As some one who has spent 40 yrs as an airline pilot in Oz and is now retired, I gotta tell you I feel real sorry for you lot!
My 40 yrs was paradise but you blokes really hate each others guts don't you?
Wot a bunch of losers you are compared to my class of 1964!
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