Qantas Engineering redundances - Advice required!!!
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Alternatively, if enough QF LAMEs wake up and smell the Iceberg coming they
can pull together to either blow the iceberg up or overpower the Captain to
steer the ship out of trouble.
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Good to see that the majority of the boys are standing up to the
company and not doing OT.
Unlike the AME,s union rep who is killing the pig!
72hrs OT last pay . Well done.
Can't lie straight in bed but got plenty of coin.
Doesn't have to worry about sharing it cause he now sits
by himself.
Some of our 380 boys should have a good look at themselves as well.
Here's a tip. As an old SYD DOM (BD) manager once said
The only thing QANTAS understands is delays. That's it!
Nappy stain is only there to cut costs. And getting rid of us is the only way
he knows how. If you make it work buy doing OT he wins.
If we start running out of serviceable aircraft questions will be asked.
The fact that the ops managers are now on shift means we are hurting them.
If its not working now imagine what it's going to be like with 30% less people.
If we make it work there will be more redundancies.
They run out of aircraft nappy stain looses and we have a chance of forcing the
company to negotiate propely
company and not doing OT.
Unlike the AME,s union rep who is killing the pig!
72hrs OT last pay . Well done.
Can't lie straight in bed but got plenty of coin.
Doesn't have to worry about sharing it cause he now sits
by himself.
Some of our 380 boys should have a good look at themselves as well.
Here's a tip. As an old SYD DOM (BD) manager once said
The only thing QANTAS understands is delays. That's it!
Nappy stain is only there to cut costs. And getting rid of us is the only way
he knows how. If you make it work buy doing OT he wins.
If we start running out of serviceable aircraft questions will be asked.
The fact that the ops managers are now on shift means we are hurting them.
If its not working now imagine what it's going to be like with 30% less people.
If we make it work there will be more redundancies.
They run out of aircraft nappy stain looses and we have a chance of forcing the
company to negotiate propely
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Is 72 hours even legal under the Qantas management approved fatigue management system?
It seems he is breaking Qantas policy. As a responsible employee, who would have completed their eQ training, you are obliged to report this fellow for his own protection( and your work mates).
If that fails, a Form 2000, stating that you are concerned for the welfare of this employee working excessive hours of overtime should be submitted, as executive staff in departments other than Engineering will be alerted to this dangerous practice.
It may take a strong leader from another department to pull management in Engineering into line regarding safe work practices.
It seems he is breaking Qantas policy. As a responsible employee, who would have completed their eQ training, you are obliged to report this fellow for his own protection( and your work mates).
If that fails, a Form 2000, stating that you are concerned for the welfare of this employee working excessive hours of overtime should be submitted, as executive staff in departments other than Engineering will be alerted to this dangerous practice.
It may take a strong leader from another department to pull management in Engineering into line regarding safe work practices.
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Well said Legacy!
For the most part it's only the "I'm right Jack" types that are coming in for the hambone. It's no secret who the few 380 blokes are. No one would expect them to let the well being of fellow members get between them and the $$$. They will be remembered.
To the few that are justifying themselves by saying things like "I'll be getting tapped anyway so I may as well make a bit of coin before I go", I suggest you talk to a rep or give SP a call. There is method to the madness and it might just be your job that is saved.
Other than a few dogs, I'm glad to say everyone is sticking together and looking further ahead than this month's credit card bill, the rego that's due on the motorbike or the wife that cries because she's not getting any extra pocket money this fortnight. If you think it's hard without cream in this fortnights pay, think how much harder it will be when you're not being paid at all.
For the most part it's only the "I'm right Jack" types that are coming in for the hambone. It's no secret who the few 380 blokes are. No one would expect them to let the well being of fellow members get between them and the $$$. They will be remembered.
To the few that are justifying themselves by saying things like "I'll be getting tapped anyway so I may as well make a bit of coin before I go", I suggest you talk to a rep or give SP a call. There is method to the madness and it might just be your job that is saved.
Other than a few dogs, I'm glad to say everyone is sticking together and looking further ahead than this month's credit card bill, the rego that's due on the motorbike or the wife that cries because she's not getting any extra pocket money this fortnight. If you think it's hard without cream in this fortnights pay, think how much harder it will be when you're not being paid at all.
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If we start running out of serviceable aircraft questions will be asked.
The fact that the ops managers are now on shift means we are hurting them.
The fact that the ops managers are now on shift means we are hurting them.
I'd like to take issue with your comment…….
WE are not hurting them…….THEY are hurting themselves with their undersized testicles not allowing them to question the orders coming down from the one with the stained nappy when they KNOW them to be reckless AND stupid AND designed to wreck the joint.
WE are just not doing OT as we'd rather not spend 1 extra moment in that toxic atmosphere they THEY have created by their gutlessness.
Note to OUR management………once WE are gone YOU will be gone…….maybe if you all stood together instead of quivering in the corner we could ALL keep our jobs………just a thought!!
Nah….you're not smart enough to say anything but 'yes' are you……….
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I'm pretty sure that the one or two ops managers who might have enough gumption to say anything but yes, know that there are plenty of yes men coming through behind them. Qantas will just get rid of them and replace them with some other spineless idiot.
I must say to those ops managers with some sense of morals left. It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
I must say to those ops managers with some sense of morals left. It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
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The main problem with QE management is that they are not allowed to manage up. Apparently CN lost it at the last direct report meeting spitting and verbal.
Not one manager has the balls to directly challenge the lunacy that exists.
As the wombat use to say there is a lot of people around here that have to sit to take a piss.
Ops mangers on shift what exactly will that achieve other then piss off an already pissed of workforce, just remember to remind them your on shift penalties and their next in the gun sights.
As for an Australian icon what a joke, how many airframes have heavy checks carried out onshore?
Not one manager has the balls to directly challenge the lunacy that exists.
As the wombat use to say there is a lot of people around here that have to sit to take a piss.
Ops mangers on shift what exactly will that achieve other then piss off an already pissed of workforce, just remember to remind them your on shift penalties and their next in the gun sights.
As for an Australian icon what a joke, how many airframes have heavy checks carried out onshore?
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Ops Managers Lead the Way
Generally, I think you guys have been too hard on QE Ops management. They provide a good example to follow. Since being on the 12 hour shift roster, not one of them has come in for an extra shift. So, follow your leaders - DON'T WORK OVERTIME!!!
Some other examples they have provided - one was spotted renewing his Cat 4 license (good little boy), another was caught sleeping on night shift (actively addressing fatigue - again very good), one turns his phone off when not on shift (planners were trying to reach him) and another one was spotted going home early (wonder if Nick caught him).
Some other examples they have provided - one was spotted renewing his Cat 4 license (good little boy), another was caught sleeping on night shift (actively addressing fatigue - again very good), one turns his phone off when not on shift (planners were trying to reach him) and another one was spotted going home early (wonder if Nick caught him).
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As a somewhat wise and quite hairy bloke more than once said- "I've seen you management pricks come and go and I'm still here". Hopefully we can raise a toast at The Rowers one day and say the same about Nappystain!
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Hey guys I need some help from you all with some information I am gathering for the inevitable court case that will take place over this round of cuts. Apparently Qantas are so short staffed in Syd already that there is unlimited overtime available. They are so in need of extra persons coming in that they are sending bucket loads of text messages such as "we have an operational requirement.......".
We suspect that they are sending these messages in breach of the company policy on fatigue managment. That is they are asking you to work when it is illegal. This must be the case because I am tracking the ot and clearly a few bad apples are breaking the rules. In case you are unaware, the company group policy is -
The information may be used in court to show that they are pressuring persons to undertake an illegal act because they are so short staffed. I hope you can all understand the importance of this matter.
cheers
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We suspect that they are sending these messages in breach of the company policy on fatigue managment. That is they are asking you to work when it is illegal. This must be the case because I am tracking the ot and clearly a few bad apples are breaking the rules. In case you are unaware, the company group policy is -
- When you finish your last nightshift, you cannot work for another 58 hours to make sure you have a proper rest. That is, no call ins or training for days one and two off and most likely the morning of day three.
- In any seven days you must not work more than 60 hours.
- The last 24 hours of your break between shifts must be free from any duty.
The information may be used in court to show that they are pressuring persons to undertake an illegal act because they are so short staffed. I hope you can all understand the importance of this matter.
cheers
Steve
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Does that policy apply to all variations of rosters or only the 12 hour 4/4 roster?
Is the SIO 0100 finish considered night shift for example ?
I'm not sure if they are getting SMS or call in though.
Is the SIO 0100 finish considered night shift for example ?
I'm not sure if they are getting SMS or call in though.
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How about planners sending text msg whilst still asleep between first and second night shift, and then planner hunting last night shift crews to see if they will work another night shift. This is what's been happening.
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When you finish your last nightshift, you cannot work for another 58 hours
eg 2 days, 2 nights, 1 O/T night. Then you need 58 hours.
58 hours is about the time needed to transition back to day shift, is it not?
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Policy is here -
Yes the 58 is so you can cycle back on to day shift safely. The wording doesn't appear to allow the last shift to be followed by another overtime night though. You need to be able to plan your life and sleep patterns in advance. It is all explained in the supporting paragraphs to the policy.
Yes the 58 is so you can cycle back on to day shift safely. The wording doesn't appear to allow the last shift to be followed by another overtime night though. You need to be able to plan your life and sleep patterns in advance. It is all explained in the supporting paragraphs to the policy.
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Is there also a clause that states if you are required to be on call then you should also be paid a special penalty??
No-one I know gets paid this, so as far as I see it his own time is his free time.
Who answers call from restricted numbers anyway??
No-one I know gets paid this, so as far as I see it his own time is his free time.
Who answers call from restricted numbers anyway??
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Received an O/T call from my manager. He seems a little embarrassed that he had to call. Accepted no as an answer. There were no lawyer constructed questions that followed. I guess not everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet.
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