Qantas Engineering redundances - Advice required!!!
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Mr Fed Sec can you desist with your current unofficial O/T ban or make it official.
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Imperial shifter , Only fed sec here posts without anonymity. Those others espousing views may well have entirely different purposes and represent a different side than what they supposedly represent. Some maybe fair dinkum others stirring or trying to create division.
These sites have more trolls than a Lord of the Rings movie.
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If I'm right then I reckon at some point soon your legacy EBA will also be restructured to a more modern one where you will have reduced pay and conditions. Only then will the culling stop.
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Imperial shifter , Only fed sec here posts without anonymity. Those others espousing views may well have entirely different purposes and represent a different side than what they supposedly represent. Some maybe fair dinkum others stirring or trying to create division.
These sites have more trolls than a Lord of the Rings movie.
These sites have more trolls than a Lord of the Rings movie.
Sad but true.
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You know what. I will do everything within my ability and power to protect your jobs. If you don't like what I say, think of the alternative. I've seen it in plans sent to our office by Qantas managers who are against what people are doing to our great company.
Some people may say here or in the workplace whatever they want. Many of them unfortunately think they are safe from the axe when they are not. If they knew the true extent of what they want to do to you, they may think a little differently. My motives are doing my job properly and I don't think I have ever been accused of anything other than that.
Some people may say here or in the workplace whatever they want. Many of them unfortunately think they are safe from the axe when they are not. If they knew the true extent of what they want to do to you, they may think a little differently. My motives are doing my job properly and I don't think I have ever been accused of anything other than that.
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[All inspection tasks "signed off" with of course NO Defects - these are not
allowed. All aided and abetted by AirNair and his lapdogs Storesy and Hey Would. A few more in a long line of former LAME's who are still "on the books" as LAME's because they won't give up the pay and conditions that have been fought for over 50-60 years. Meanwhile, CN states that LAME's are overstocked - if he got rid of these guys off the books who aren't fixing A/C, then there wouldn't be too many.]
He will never get rid of these flunkies, as every airline has these "pen men" lurking in the wings. They pen stuff off without any thought for the overall Airworthiness standards etc., and in so doing are well thought of (as good Company men) by the likes of Geoff and his polka dotted tie wearing lap dog (who did more than their share towards the downhill spiral).
These guys (some of who may at one time have been fairly capable in the past, but now throw common sense out of the window for it to be dispersed by the 4 winds) are the real "root cause" of the underlying problems that the real grafting LAMEs have faced for many years.
Have a good cleanout by starting with the Board, and then these guys shortly afterwards, or vice versa if you so choose.
The funding taxpayers and the QF passengers deserve nothing less than a new start towards restoration of the once proud flag carrier.
Regards, Big E.
[All inspection tasks "signed off" with of course NO Defects - these are not
allowed. All aided and abetted by AirNair and his lapdogs Storesy and Hey Would. A few more in a long line of former LAME's who are still "on the books" as LAME's because they won't give up the pay and conditions that have been fought for over 50-60 years. Meanwhile, CN states that LAME's are overstocked - if he got rid of these guys off the books who aren't fixing A/C, then there wouldn't be too many.]
He will never get rid of these flunkies, as every airline has these "pen men" lurking in the wings. They pen stuff off without any thought for the overall Airworthiness standards etc., and in so doing are well thought of (as good Company men) by the likes of Geoff and his polka dotted tie wearing lap dog (who did more than their share towards the downhill spiral).
These guys (some of who may at one time have been fairly capable in the past, but now throw common sense out of the window for it to be dispersed by the 4 winds) are the real "root cause" of the underlying problems that the real grafting LAMEs have faced for many years.
Have a good cleanout by starting with the Board, and then these guys shortly afterwards, or vice versa if you so choose.
The funding taxpayers and the QF passengers deserve nothing less than a new start towards restoration of the once proud flag carrier.
Regards, Big E.
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[QUOTE]Have a good cleanout by starting with the Board/QUOTE]
Anybody with a grip on reality knows that this will never happen. Any board who can get away with all of the lies and despicable acts that these clowns have over the last few years, knows that they are virtually bullet proof. All I can suggest is that you listen to the Fed Sec. He has your best interests at heart. If the board really want rid of you all, they will put all of their efforts in that direction. Don't make it easy for them!
At least then if you lose your jobs, you can walk away with your integrity intact, and know that you did your best to keep a once great airline going.
Remember, this airline was started by pilots and engineers. Not greedy, grubby little men in suits, pushing their own selfish little agendas.
Anybody with a grip on reality knows that this will never happen. Any board who can get away with all of the lies and despicable acts that these clowns have over the last few years, knows that they are virtually bullet proof. All I can suggest is that you listen to the Fed Sec. He has your best interests at heart. If the board really want rid of you all, they will put all of their efforts in that direction. Don't make it easy for them!
At least then if you lose your jobs, you can walk away with your integrity intact, and know that you did your best to keep a once great airline going.
Remember, this airline was started by pilots and engineers. Not greedy, grubby little men in suits, pushing their own selfish little agendas.
One eye redundant:
Well said. The current behaviour of the Board and Senior Management of Qantas remind me of a former emplyer of mine - I was marketing manager of a division of Email Limited.
The Board and Senior Management of Email Limited knew the price of everything and the value of nothing as I gradually found out after joining them. Their head office was not far from Mascot (Silverwater).
The made penny pinching into an art form and totally rooted the business by not investing much in it for new technology, and what they did invest in was always too late and the wrong technology. When their Managing Director was on the Board of Telecom (telstras predecessor), Telecom installed the then "new" carphone technology in his limousine as a surprise during a Board meeting. When he saw it he made them take it out as he didn't want his Salesmen and managers getting ideas about having car phones - that was the sort of idiot he was. They were also extremely cruel to their employees.
Our division was an accident - we made very high technology stuff that they needed a bit of in a hurry, so they bought us. We also made the absolute world leading oil terminal automation systems that we had installed all over Australia. Our programmers and electronics guys were paid way much more than EMail considered proper. We wanted to take our products international "too hard", "too expensive and we don't understand your business and technology anyway" was the Boards response.
They sold that business and kept making whitegoods in outback NSW and an antique plant in Adelaide....until they went broke and were broken up.
The oil terminal automation business prospers to this day. At least half the service stations in australia still use similar stuff we made.
Diamond Key International "Mutual Success Through Teamwork With Customers"
Sorry to digress but your Board sounds the same.
At least then if you lose your jobs, you can walk away with your integrity intact, and know that you did your best to keep a once great airline going.
Remember, this airline was started by pilots and engineers. Not greedy, grubby little men in suits, pushing their own selfish little agendas.
Remember, this airline was started by pilots and engineers. Not greedy, grubby little men in suits, pushing their own selfish little agendas.
The Board and Senior Management of Email Limited knew the price of everything and the value of nothing as I gradually found out after joining them. Their head office was not far from Mascot (Silverwater).
The made penny pinching into an art form and totally rooted the business by not investing much in it for new technology, and what they did invest in was always too late and the wrong technology. When their Managing Director was on the Board of Telecom (telstras predecessor), Telecom installed the then "new" carphone technology in his limousine as a surprise during a Board meeting. When he saw it he made them take it out as he didn't want his Salesmen and managers getting ideas about having car phones - that was the sort of idiot he was. They were also extremely cruel to their employees.
Our division was an accident - we made very high technology stuff that they needed a bit of in a hurry, so they bought us. We also made the absolute world leading oil terminal automation systems that we had installed all over Australia. Our programmers and electronics guys were paid way much more than EMail considered proper. We wanted to take our products international "too hard", "too expensive and we don't understand your business and technology anyway" was the Boards response.
They sold that business and kept making whitegoods in outback NSW and an antique plant in Adelaide....until they went broke and were broken up.
The oil terminal automation business prospers to this day. At least half the service stations in australia still use similar stuff we made.
Diamond Key International "Mutual Success Through Teamwork With Customers"
Sorry to digress but your Board sounds the same.
Email Limited was the largest company associated with the whitegoods industry in Australia. The company was responsible for production of items such as fridges, washing machines and dishwashers. Although Email Limited, Email Ltd Pty Ltd, and The Email Company Pty. Limited are still listed with the Australian Securities & Investments Commission, most of their manufacturing businesses have been taken over by other companies. In 2000 the Electrolux Group acquired the Major Appliances Business of Email Ltd; in January 2001 Smorgon Steel Group Ltd and OneSteel Ltd bought out many of Email's core businesses and in 2003 the Email Metering Group was sold to Intermoco Ltd.
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He will never get rid of these flunkies, as every airline has these "pen men" lurking in the wings. They pen stuff off without any thought for the overall Airworthiness standards etc., and in so doing are well thought of (as good Company men) by the likes of Geoff and his polka dotted tie wearing lap dog (who did more than their share towards the downhill spiral).
The Fedsec has a plan. EVERYONE stick to the plan. If not doing any o/t doesn't work, I'm sure he'll devise another plan. But you guys justifying working o/t to yourselves is letting down the majority..... yes Majority. STICK TOGETHER AND FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT - BEING COMPANY MINDED WON'T NECESSARILY SAVE YOU.
Here endeth the lesson.
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"ALAEA Fed Sec
"Will talk again about their plans at tomorrow's meetings."
Can you share that with other QF members not in Sydney?
"Will talk again about their plans at tomorrow's meetings."
Can you share that with other QF members not in Sydney?
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Would love to get around to all ports and run meetings. Syd was the immediate one with Brad about to do another round at Avv. These guys are copping it in the neck now so we are pretty flat out working on court cases for them.
Will get to other ports before too long because what they want to do to Engineers impacts all of us.
Will get to other ports before too long because what they want to do to Engineers impacts all of us.
